Sad ending of a great empire

Franklin

Captain
It seems to me that the UK government offered the Scots a vote on independence with the secure knowledge that the majority of the people in Scotland would say no. Just like in Quebec in 1989. But now a few days before the vote opinion polls shows that a majority of the Scots may actually vote yes for independence has thrown the UK government into a panic mode.
 
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Miragedriver

Brigadier
Losing Scotland will make Britain a third-rate nation, says China

The Chinese state media has mocked that Britain will become a "third-rate nation" if Scotland votes for independence

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I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
 

delft

Brigadier
Losing Scotland will make Britain a third-rate nation, says China

The Chinese state media has mocked that Britain will become a "third-rate nation" if Scotland votes for independence

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I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
Sounds like psychological warfare against the Scottish nationalists. UK's pretence to be a major nation is based on its nuclear submarines carrying US missiles with British nuclear weapons, its permanent seat in the Security Council and especially its Special Relationship with US. Even if England devolved from London as long as they have these the London government would say its still a first rate nation.
 

schenkus

Junior Member
Registered Member
Sounds like psychological warfare against the Scottish nationalists. UK's pretence to be a major nation is based on its nuclear submarines carrying US missiles with British nuclear weapons, its permanent seat in the Security Council and especially its Special Relationship with US. Even if England devolved from London as long as they have these the London government would say its still a first rate nation.

The british nuclear submarines are currently stationed in Scotland and Scottish opinion seems to be strongly against anything nuclear, especially nuclear weapons and nuclear submarines. In the case of independence the scottish government would demand the removal of these submarines from Scotland and Britain doesn't currently have another base to station them.

To keep the submarines Britain would need to build a new base; this would be expensive and choosing a place would be politically very difficult.

If this proves too difficult and if something happens that forces Britain to make tough fiscal choices there might be no successors to the current SSBNs and they might even be retired early once Faslane is no longer available.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
IF Scotland voted YES for independence, my belief is that the Royal Navy and Scotland will work out some kind of deal to lease that submarine base in Scotland instead of building a new one...for now of course.
 

delft

Brigadier
IF Scotland voted YES for independence, my belief is that the Royal Navy and Scotland will work out some kind of deal to lease that submarine base in Scotland instead of building a new one...for now of course.
I understand getting rid of the Faslane base is a major reason to vote yes for many Scots. A government walshing on the promise to get rid of it would be committing suicide.
Perhaps the only place with only a few thousand opponents of a new base for the submarines would be the Falkland Islands. :)

Of course not building new SSBN's would be fiscally a prudent move.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Losing Scotland will make Britain a third-rate nation, says China

The Chinese state media has mocked that Britain will become a "third-rate nation" if Scotland votes for independence

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The mockery is uncalled for, but truth is a good defense for Chinese commentaries.
 
some recent posts mentioned the Royal Navy, so (I know it's my re-post):
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for example
"The most serious threat to Britain’s security posed by Scottish independence would be the enforced removal of the Trident nuclear missile submarines from their base at Faslane. Space for the submarines could probably be found at Devonport but since the 1960s there has been a great deal of money invested in construction at Faslane which cannot be simply packed up and taken to Plymouth. Such an upheaval also threatens the 6,700 Royal Navy and civilian workers at Faslane. Even if a suitable, secure, deep water base could be found in England or Wales, replicating the specialist Coulport missile handling facility would also require vast expense. The Trident submarine replacement program is already at the very limits of what the defence budget can bear and, the costs of relocating facilites in the event of independence could well put an end to the UK nuclear deterrent on financial grounds. The loss of Faslane would also require the seven Astute class attack submarines to be re-located to Devonport, together with attendant costs."
 
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