Sad ending of a great empire

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
That's what I was asking, lol.

These Scottish separatists sound a lot like our Quebec separatists.

Yes and Quebec lost by what 0.5%? It was a hell of a tight vote

But I will say one thing

The Scottish people who will vote yes are really really passionate voting with hearts and not minds but the people who are voting no are not as passionate and just want to see both unions together

Question is on the day will the no voters come out with the no vote with the energy of the yes voters will vote for the yes??

Tell you one thing I have my holiday booked for the 18th September I have both Thursday and Friday off
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
The last time I checked the betting site, the chance of Scotland to vote INDEPENDENCE is less than 16% .... so very slim chance
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if you are so confident of Scottish Independence, ... put all your money and you might end up be a millionaire
 

HMS Astute

Junior Member
Just to be clear on the issue of a 'currency board' which is either being misrepresented in error or deliberately ....

A currency board is used by countries who have their own currency but wish it to move in line with another currency. The Hong Kong Dollar is pegged to the US Dollar in this way for instance. The Danish Krone is pegged to the Euro via ERM II. Both require currency boards to manage and maintain the peg.

Note that both of these places have their own currency. Scotland does not. The banknotes that we see in Scotland are not 'Scottish Pounds' pegged to Sterling. They ARE sterling with different pictures on them. A record is kept at the BoE of how many are in circulation so they can be accurately included in the money supply. This is often misrepresented as the BoE holding sterling on reserve against the Scottish currency but that is absolutely false.

Just to repeat, Scottish banknotes are poud Sterling with different pictures on them. They are NOT Sottish pounds pegged to Sterling.

Had Scotland achieved independence they would have had to use Pounds unofficially through a process of Sterlingisation which would have meant that these note would exit circulation. Scotland could not mint its own pounds anymore than Spain could. It would be forgery. They would be reliant on the pound sterling minted by the BoE and already in circulation.

If they want to have a currency board they need to launch their own currency (Scottish Pounds, Grotes or whatever), build up reserves, set their own interest rates and THEN create a peg against sterling against whatever rate they see fit and task the board with maintaining it. At no point whatsoever has this been suggested. The plans as they stand at the moment leaves Scotland without its own currency.

If the nationalists had have been clear on this point, the whole circular debate that has clearly taken place last night could have been avoided .. The point with the Euro is it's a continental currency with many voices and a central bank acting on their behalf - it was designed that way (although not as well as it could and should have been). In the case of the rUK and iScotland it'll be one country of 55m using the currency formally and its central bank controlling it, and another of 6m using it entirely informally with absolutely no say. Yes, Scotland will be independent, but it'll be in a heavily lopsided bi-lateral relationship with no control over the direction that relationship takes. That's why the comparison with a pan-continental currency like the Euro is nonsense. But if that's what voting YES is about, fill your boots.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Yes and Quebec lost by what 0.5%? It was a hell of a tight vote

That was back in 1992, over 20 years ago, and the Quebec sovereigntist movement has since then gone absolutely nowhere. During their last election, the pro-sovereignty party went into the campaign with a significant lead in the polls, and that mislead them into restarting their musings on an independent Quebec. The result was a crushing defeat for them and a landslide victory for the federalist party.

The funny thing is, Marois, the pro-sovereignty party leader, was at one point saying that an independent Quebec would keep using the Canadian dollar and would not need any visa to travel into Canada. Not that she asked the rest of Canada what they thought of her ideas... :D

The other funny thing are all the Canadian Forces military bases in Quebec. According to a friend of mine who served in the reserves, most of the military people were against independence. Thus, I was saying to my friend that should the separatists ever succeed in their referendum, Quebec would go from a Canadian province to become an occupied state overnight. :D
 
9 Days till the vote...

yeah and look:
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what a unity :) I checked wiki:
"David William Donald Cameron is the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Leader of the Conservative Party."
"Edward Samuel "Ed" Miliband is a British Labour Party politician, currently the Leader of the Labour Party and Leader of the Opposition."
"Nicholas William Peter "Nick" Clegg is a British politician who since 2010 has been Deputy Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Lord President of the Council ... Clegg has been the leader of the Liberal Democrats since 2007 ..."
 

delft

Brigadier
yeah and look:
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what a unity :) I checked wiki:
"David William Donald Cameron is the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Leader of the Conservative Party."
"Edward Samuel "Ed" Miliband is a British Labour Party politician, currently the Leader of the Labour Party and Leader of the Opposition."
"Nicholas William Peter "Nick" Clegg is a British politician who since 2010 has been Deputy Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Lord President of the Council ... Clegg has been the leader of the Liberal Democrats since 2007 ..."
The BBC is telling me that there is no panic in political London while the top politicians drop everything today to go and beseech the Scots to vote No.
 
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