Sad ending of a great empire

The reason why there's a so-called "ending" at all is how the empire was acquired in the first place. You have to ask what makes it a great empire in today's terms? "Great" is relative. Beyond people's personal opinion, you'll find none of the things that are to pointed to it as being "great" was practiced in the making of the empire.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

If yes then Scotland could become one of the Richest parts of Europe. Scotland has the North sea oil which the Brits have been letting sit. If a independent Scottish Government steps up they could open that oil up and crank up the revenues. Part of the pro independence movement is the argument that Scotland should follow Norway's oil model.

the British army at first. The Brits would lease there equipment to the new Scottish armed forces. But as to action. Another of the grudges that the independence movement points to is that Scotland has no say in there troops being deployed. So if they do go it alone then its likely Scottish forces will be more of a case by case then the UK and US.


the Kilt is not unique to Scotland its common across both Britannia and Ireland.



A independent Scotland would likely be grandfathered in to NATO and would start out compliant with all Nato norms... Except maybe there small arms. The British government spec 5.56x45mm used in the L85 rifle tend to be under powered vs true NATO spec.

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if the scots want to become like a Norway they could be a very wealthy and affluent small country in Europe that many would envy. when they crank up that oil production there is always one country that has the capacity to sign a decade/decades long contract with them Scots and buy all or most of that oil. that country loves to sign FTA's with wealthy small European countries and in fact they just did with Iceland and Switzerland. adding the ''republic of Scotland'' would be very nice.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

If yes then Scotland could become one of the Richest parts of Europe. Scotland has the North sea oil which the Brits have been letting sit. If a independent Scottish Government steps up they could open that oil up and crank up the revenues. Part of the pro independence movement is the argument that Scotland should follow Norway's oil model.

the British army at first. The Brits would lease there equipment to the new Scottish armed forces. But as to action. Another of the grudges that the independence movement points to is that Scotland has no say in there troops being deployed. So if they do go it alone then its likely Scottish forces will be more of a case by case then the UK and US.


the Kilt is not unique to Scotland its common across both Britannia and Ireland.



A independent Scotland would likely be grandfathered in to NATO and would start out compliant with all Nato norms... Except maybe there small arms. The British government spec 5.56x45mm used in the L85 rifle tend to be under powered vs true NATO spec.

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Well I believe I am at the forefront of this subject since I live in Scotland was born here and will have a say in the vote so what I believe is directly relevant to the outcome of the referendum

I have visited the Holyrood spoken to Alex Salmond and had lengthy decisions with Joe Fitzpatrick MSP for the West end of my city I can talk all day on this subject so if anyone has any question fire away I will try and answer

And lastly I will not be saying weather I am voting for and against what Scotland's people vote is their business no one else's

You make some valid points, yes we can become rich and it's hard for us to see the billions of oils revenue go down the drain in Downing Street but at the same time Scotland gets billions in subsides from England check read up on the Scottish farmers how much subsides they receive every year also our academic institutes get funding from all English grants we loose a lot of income from England if we go independent, will oil revenues cover the lot? Maybe for a short time but not the long term

Regarding the military a independent Scotland will have a force in line with Scottish needs meaning a force only to police Scotland that's it no power projection beyond our borders currently ofF the top of my head Scotland puts in something like £2.5 billion into UK defence budget a independent Scotland will only need to spend around £1.5 to police our own borders saving us already £1 billion per year

Scotland would like to stay in NATO but if they have to leave they will they want to stay in EU but will have to apply for membership they are not going to any preferential treatment nor do we want to be treated that like anyway

Only problem with joining the EU it takes only one country to say no and country's like Spain who are already weary of their own independent states proclaiming referendums like Granada etc will certainly not want to allow Scotland into the EU if it becomes independent

mr.bean said:

it would be interesting what an independent Scottish military will look like. it would be small but would it follow the UK military in fighting all over the world with the US? or would it choose to be like a Switzerland and be wise to stay out of other peoples war?

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For sure 100% a independent Scotland will have no power projection and will NOT be taking part in any wars not now not later

They will provide peace keeping forces and take part in military excercises but not go overseas with England in any Iraq style wars in 2003 SNP did not stop a demo marching to SCC in Glasgow 50,000 people from stop the war coalition were backed by SNP against the labour government

We will have a quick reaction force around 4-6 fighters with refuelling tankers in the North to keep check on intruding aircraft mainly Russia the entire outline of the defence is listed on line somewhere I will try and find it this does not mean Scotland will have 4-6 fighters lol it means we will have a small military in line with Scotland's needs this is just one example based up North in Lossiemouth

mr.bean said:

if the scots want to become like a Norway they could be a very wealthy and affluent small country in Europe that many would envy. when they crank up that oil production there is always one country that has the capacity to sign a decade/decades long contract with them Scots and buy all or most of that oil. that country loves to sign FTA's with wealthy small European countries and in fact they just did with Iceland and Switzerland. adding the ''republic of Scotland'' would be very nice.

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Everyone is taking about oil oil and more oil let's look at some facts

To keep the current oil income we need to spent in excess of £15 billion because all the easy oil is gone and harder oil is more expensive to extract and the reason why world wide company's invest in excess of £15 billion per year in the North Sea oil (we get back around over £50 billion) is because of the preferential tax policy's UK government has in place, will Scotland be able to afford the policy's and tax rebates for these company's to keep investing in the North Sea?? Answer is probably not

Plus there is too much fluctuation in the oil price to make any sort of reliable long term budget predictions the situation is too volatile so let's not get too carried with the oil money it's onto a short term advantage long term Scotland will invest in renewables like wind and wave

asif iqbal said:

Well I believe I am at the forefront of this subject since I live in Scotland was born here and will have a say in the vote so what I believe is directly relevant to the outcome of the referendum

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Are you living in Scotland now? And if not, do you actually get to vote? The articles I've seen suggest you don't, but maybe that's changed.

Blackstone said:

Are you living in Scotland now? And if not, do you actually get to vote? The articles I've seen suggest you don't, but maybe that's changed.

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Yes I am living in Scotland and I will be voting

However Scottish people in England can't vote which is a bit unfair

I mean let's say I get a job in England for a few years and I work to gain experience but eventually want to come back to Scotland to settle for good but if I become a resident in England for that period of time and the referendum comes alone then I can't vote? Obviously staying outside temporally I would want a say in a future Scotland a place where I will come back too but that isn't going to be possible for all scots in England

Having said that English in Scotland can vote, so either way it's ok but if Alex Salmond got whole UK to vote I bet Scotland would be guaranteed independence because a lot of the English would say to hell with the scots you want it just have it

Glasgow 2014: Scottish uniform for Commonwealth Games opening ceremony mocked
Scottish athletes' vivid outfits for Commonwealth Games opening ceremony are mocked and attacked in equal measure, though not by everyone








I will now get back to bottling my Malbec

I accidentally found this:

Isn't that CEO (Robin Sampson of Clyde Space) exaggerating?