Brumby
Major
Nyet. According to ever reliable Russian news wire, it has been inducted into the Russian Air Force. Presumably the museum wing - the plane that almost flew. Lol.
Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)
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b787
Captain
there are pictures and video of it flying in 2014, Sukhoi and UAC confirm 4 flying prototypes, one in hiatus, but 4 flying, the information you use is dated, the aircraft is by no means retired
b787
Captain
it has video flying, it will not go to the Museum till it ends its operational test bed trials, so far only is in the Museum for those who refuse to see the picture of February 2014 and the video of August 2014 at Rameskoye
Brumby
Major
Nyet. According to ever reliable Russian news wire, the prototypes had entered the service of the Russian Air Force as of 30 Jan 2015.
The Russian Armed Forces began to accept into service the first fifth-generation aircraft, the T-50 (PAK FA), announced Yury Slyusar, head of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), on January 30 during an interview on the TV channel Russia-24.
are you sure, 052 was reportedly flying with 051s verts, after 051 had aft fuse structural issues
b787
Captain
it did happen, but they fixed it, if you check you will see you can check pictures of all the five prototypes, the 051 has its last picture in that website dated December 2014 and 052 dated February 2015
this is from December 2014
if you notice 051 has a different tail sting and it was flying in this picture in 2013
just click in the links and you will see 051 is flying and it is okay, 055 has pictures date until June 2013
A Bar Brother
Junior Member
The Russians say they will go ahead with the PAKFA program in case a deal with India is not reached.
So CATOBAR and VTOL make it more ambitious? How so? It just means the program is much larger, which I did admit to. The FGFA wasn't designed for CATOBAR, but it will eventually be made to fly off carriers. And the F-35's VTOL requirement killed other aspects of the F-35, which were termed as design compromise. If the VTOL and CATOBAR did not include design compromises, then that would have made it more ambitious.
We can't rely on what can be seen for the sake of argument when the secrecy in one program is far more than on the other. The F-35 is merely an export bird and forms the low end of the USAF. It's based on export grade electronics and stealth technologies whereas the PAKFA is high end and carries technologies meant for the US 6th gen project. As already revealed by the RNAF, the F-35 and Rafale carry very similar electronics.
Photos and videos will eventually be made available as the program progresses. We will one day see the Izd 30 engine, we will see derivatives of technologies used on PAKFA/FGFA in other aircraft projects, we will see new weapons during future air shows in India and Russia and so on. People were still under the impression that the PAKFA is a fake project made up by the Russians as far as back in Nov 2010, even though it started way back in 2000. We are just going to have to be patient about it.
You are incorrect in your assumption that I believe the program was not affected. I know any program will be affected by a crash, even the F-35, but not to the extent that it is made out to be.
As far as this forum is concerned, the program has been delayed because of the fire. As far as Russia media reports are concerned, the initially planned production and induction schedule remains unchanged. If the schedule remains unchanged, then what's there to fret about?
Like I told AFB earlier, who cares about the crash if production starts as planned. It only means the program continued without major disruption.
A Bar Brother
Junior Member
Oops. The US bent over backwards in the liability clause too. They "succumbed" to India, just like the Russians.
If India was pissed off, then there would have been no deal for FGFA. However India has not rolled back negotiations. And event the two-seater is back in the race, something the Russian's don't want.
India being pissed off about the FGFA is in the imagination of little minds like yours.
Yup. You got that right.
You don't know anything about Pakistan. Any bad decisions they make comes back to bite them 10 fold. Even the Pakistanis admit to that.
You, my friend, need real help.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
You know what they say, Bar, humor's the best help there is, so I read your posts once in a while! Oh, MiG-21 just got upgraded to 8th generation and its avionics are way more advanced than F-22's LOL
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A Bar Brother
Junior Member
At least you admit you have a problem. Stick around, maybe you will learn something too. Talk about two birds with one stone.
You probably switch between alternate universes. At least try and keep up with my claims.