Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

Deino

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A Bar Brother said:
There are obvious mistakes.

About 6-1, it is possible the Russians may keep that version as a replacement for the 55 and deliver an extra Stage-2 prototype to India. Unlikely, but still a possibility. Of course, I'm basing this on my own experience, not from the artwork.

The only aspect that is correct in the artwork is the first 5 prototypes and the Stage-1 Russian version. Everything else is wrong in it.

This is the closest to how it is as of today.

The five prototypes, the Russian Stage-1 production version and the still uncertain Indian FGFA.
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To admit that is actually a fine idea ! ;)To keep 6-1 as a replacement by maybe compensating India for that deal would keep the number of aircraft for the state acceptance trials at the originally planned number.

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Deino said:
To admit that is actually a fine idea ! ;)To keep 6-1 as a replacement by maybe compensating India for that deal would keep the number of aircraft for the state acceptance trials at the originally planned number.

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Actually Bar nailed this one as there is no way the Russians will short the prototype process with only 5 birds including this one, theres really no other way without creating significant delays???
 
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Jura The idiot

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here's what defensenews.com has to say:
Russia To Receive 5th Gen Fighters This Year
The Russian Air Force is set to receive the first batch of Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA jet fighters this year amid its strained business relationship with co-developer India.
Compared with the aircraft's previous version, the variant has been fitted with a number of new features, according to the manufacturer.

Despite this, Russia will need to cope with the increasing criticism voiced by India, which is partnering with Moscow on developing the aircraft, amid concerns over delivery delays and technical shortfalls of the program.

Local analysts say that the bilateral cooperation on the program has produced a sense of disenchantment by India's military circles.

While the program has been "announced with a great deal of promise for the overall Indo-Russian defense cooperation," the fighter jet project "is currently confronted with a myriad of problems. With India already having paid US $295 million for the preliminary design and development costs, Russian unwillingness to share design information on the aircraft is not being received well in New Delhi," said Monika Chansoria, senior fellow at the Centre for Land Warfare Studies think tank in New Delhi.

The T-50 is to serve as the basis for developing the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft program, which will be supplied to the Indian Air Force. In 2007, Moscow and New Delhi signed an agreement to jointly develop the fighter jet, following which Russia's state-owned Rosoboronexport and Sukhoi, and India's state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, signed a preliminary design development deal. The total worth of design, research and development works has been estimated at more than $10 billion.

Meanwhile, the capabilities added to the new variant of the stealth fighter include a new avionics suite that integrates the electronic pilot functionality, and an advanced phased-array antenna radar, according to Russia's state-run United Aircraft Corp.

With the new features, United Aircraft says it is aiming to significantly decrease pilot load, and enable data exchange in real time, not only with ground-based control, but also within the flight group, according to information obtained by local news agency ITAR-TASS.

The fifth-generation fighter jets will be made at the plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, a subsidiary of the Russian group. The aircraft is to be enabled with a maximum speed of 1,516 mph.

"[F]ollowing repeated demands by India, the Russians finally agreed to carry out a technology demonstration flight of the prototype aircraft in June 2014, which, shockingly, caught fire at the end of the test flight while landing at the Zhukovsky test center near Moscow," Chansoria said. "What added to the controversy … was Russia's refusal to share any details of this failure, to the extent that a technical evaluation team of the Indian Air Force that reportedly was present at the site was refused access to inspect the damaged platform."

The T-50 is intended as a successor to the Russian military's fourth-generation Sukhoi Su-27 and Mikoyan MiG-29 fighters, and a competitor to the F-22 Raptor and F-35 aircraft. The deliveries of the aircraft have been significantly postponed, as in 2010, Russia's then-Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said the first batch of the fighter jet was expected to be supplied to the country's Air Force in 2013.

The analyst said that the "repeated technical delays on the project are prompting a debate within India" whether the country "can afford to wait for another decade to induct the fighter into its forces."

By 2020, the Russian Air Force will have acquired 55 T-50s, Vladislav Goncharenko, the deputy head of the military aviation programs department at United Aircraft, said Dec. 15, as reported by ITAR-TASS.

Under the plan, the Russian Air Force this year will obtain 126 new aircraft and 88 helicopters as part of the country's military modernization program.

Meanwhile, the latest announcement follows the release of United Aircraft's improved financial results for 2014. Last year, the group delivered 161 aircraft and increased its revenues by about 30 percent to 285 billion rubles (US $4.32 billion), according to company data. This year, company representatives say they are expecting to expand the manufacturer's revenues to about 400 billion rubles.

The fighter jet project could be decisive for shaping Moscow's military cooperation with New Delhi, which remains Russia's major defense trade partner. Other joint projects developed by the countries include the BrahMos, a supersonic cruise missile jointly developed by NPO Mashinostroeyenia, a Russian design bureau, and India's state-run Defence Research and Development Organisation.

Until 2013, India represented 38 percent of Russian major weapons exports, with Moscow supplying 75 percent of India's imports of major weapons, according to Chansoria. However, a lack of sufficient partnership on the FGFA program could put the future of this collaboration into jeopardy.

"Moscow and New Delhi need to iron out these differences and speed up progress on the project," Chansoria said.
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Jura said:
here's what defensenews.com has to say:
Russia To Receive 5th Gen Fighters This Year

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Well, there ya go kids, now why do you think the Russians refused to allow the Indian team observing the test flight of 055 to examine the aircraft post fire?? There's a very logical explanation, in light of the past conversations on full JV and full disclosure, I would only state once again for the record--NYET Komrade! It certainly appears that Deino, TP, and Jeff's cautionary warnings were well founded,,, I would dare say that the PAK-FA deal is in jeopardy, no doubt at all that the Indians are angry, and disappointed.

I will say that I expect Russia will make a full on press to keep the Indian's onboard with this project, they know the consequences of having to go it alone on this bird? They did after all manage to deliver the Vik, and I would say that actually turned out rather well so far, I expect they will clean up their act, and I have no doubt the Indians will press for more much sooner, especially if indeed Sukhoi starts delivering T-50s to the VVS? this year?? I just don't see that happening either??? but we shall see?
 
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Well, there ya go kids, now why do you think the Russians refused to allow the Indian team observing the test flight of 055 to examine the aircraft post fire?? There's a very logical explanation, in light of the past conversations on full JV and full disclosure, I would only state once again for the record--NYET Komrade! It certainly appears that Deino, TP, and Jeff's cautionary warnings were well founded,,, I would dare say that the PAK-FA deal is in jeopardy, no doubt at all that the Indians are angry, and disappointed.

I will say that I expect Russia will make a full on press to keep the Indian's onboard with this project, they know the consequences of having to go it alone on this bird? They did after all manage to deliver the Vik, and I would say that actually turned out rather well so far, I expect they will clean up their act, and I have no doubt the Indians will press for more much sooner, especially if indeed Sukhoi starts delivering T-50s to the VVS? this year?? I just don't see that happening either??? but we shall see?
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I normally don't follow Russian military news but the few that I do like on the PAK-FA suggest to me it is basically propaganda rather than news. I don't actually get any information out of it even after such long statement from the news release. For example, telling us 55 T-50's will be delivered by 2020 is basically propaganda because it will be another 5 years before anyone can hold them accountable to that statement. What about telling us whether production has commenced and when is the first delivery expected and a schedule leading into 2016. What is easier to determine, the next next 12 months or the next 5 years?
 
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