Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

[Air Force Brat]

But the problem again is - I know I'm here probably deemed by some as the T-50-hater, but that's not true ! - that the Russian media cooks something up, says it is based on an official source and some simply take it for granted.

If You take a second look and think ... You come to the conclusion this simply can't be: there are now four T50s flying, the next series of prototypes is still waiting (at least we are waiting) ... not even a single bird passed all tests including weapon's testing ... and now they tell us "oh wonder, it entered service " !

Don't You think - if true - the RuAF would have made a lot of fanfare, a big celebration and even more a much bigger media event ?

Therefore ... I take all what comes from the Russian media with a LOT of salt, to admit, a Rock of salt.

Deino

I would actually be indifferent to the 5th prototype being fixed. It wouldn't affect the program in a big way.

Now Bar Brother???? Why did they build it then????? It has already and will continue to set the program back, and you know that don't you????

There are two answers on this test BAR----YES or NO three letters or two letters, no spiel or psycho babble??? please just yes or no????

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

T50 fan? Concept map scariest part is Iranian PAkfa's a more realistic option then the Iranian fugly model they tried to pass off as a steath fighter

 

[A Bar Brother]

Now Bar Brother???? Why did they build it then????? It has already and will continue to set the program back, and you know that don't you????

There are two answers on this test BAR----YES or NO three letters or two letters, no spiel or psycho babble??? please just yes or no????

No.

I have already mentioned before, programs cater to losses during development stages. The Su-30MKI lost a prototype as well, in 1999, it didn't delay the program as much as you believe. The contract for series production was signed the very next year, 2000, and the first delivery was made in exactly 3 years since the crash, 2002. If things go the way you believe they go, then the MKI program should have been delayed quite a bit. Rather, after the crash, the IAF changed contract order and took deliveries of the MKI version directly, instead of 32 more of the legacy MK versions as was planned before in 1998.

The 5th prototype's crash did not affect the schedule of the program, as far as the latest news goes. State acceptance trials are most likely complete. As long as production begins as planned and is delivered to the VVS as planned, the resurrection or death of the 5th prototype shouldn't matter. The test points that were supposed to be done by the 5th prototype will be delegated to the other prototypes.

The test pilot did not die in the crash, so his availability is more important than the availability of the 5th prototype.

 

[A Bar Brother]

T50 fan? Concept map scariest part is Iranian PAkfa's a more realistic option then the Iranian fugly model they tried to pass off as a steath fighter

It's fan made.

 

[A Bar Brother]

Btw, four prototypes are to be ready this year. One static version and three flying versions.

 

[Air Force Brat]

No.

I have already mentioned before, programs cater to losses during development stages. The Su-30MKI lost a prototype as well, in 1999, it didn't delay the program as much as you believe. The contract for series production was signed the very next year, 2000, and the first delivery was made in exactly 3 years since the crash, 2002. If things go the way you believe they go, then the MKI program should have been delayed quite a bit. Rather, after the crash, the IAF changed contract order and took deliveries of the MKI version directly, instead of 32 more of the legacy MK versions as was planned before in 1998.

The 5th prototype's crash did not affect the schedule of the program, as far as the latest news goes. State acceptance trials are most likely complete. As long as production begins as planned and is delivered to the VVS as planned, the resurrection or death of the 5th prototype shouldn't matter. The test points that were supposed to be done by the 5th prototype will be delegated to the other prototypes.

The test pilot did not die in the crash, so his availability is more important than the availability of the 5th prototype.

1. Your no answer illustrates your complete detachment from reality, and the real world of prototyping and LRIP, any loss, particularly due to an engine malfunction is a serious delay, in an of itself. Your inability to grasp that reflects your lack of a studious reflective nature, or just your inability to acknowledge the truth???
2. Your little spiel also reflects on your lack of understanding of the facts, there was NO crash, the engine caught fire as the aircraft was rolling out, no crash, no injuries, but no doubt 055 had a full work load that is NOT being flown today? and 055 is fully available for a full investigation, which has no doubt drawn some conclusions that you nor I will know anytime soon?

while I am very thankful that the pilot is safe and yes that is most important, the loss of 055 is a very significant set-back for the Sukhoi team, they won't say that publicly because the Indians are already breathing down their neck, and they must appear as positive as possible in order not to lose their golden calf?
Make no mistake, the Indian team is NOT happy, not at all, and they do feel that things should have been moving along much more rapidly than they have been, I don't blame them?? do you???

 

[A Bar Brother]

1. Your no answer illustrates your complete detachment from reality, and the real world of prototyping and LRIP, any loss, particularly due to an engine malfunction is a serious delay, in an of itself. Your inability to grasp that reflects your lack of a studious reflective nature, or just your inability to acknowledge the truth???
2. Your little spiel also reflects on your lack of understanding of the facts, there was NO crash, the engine caught fire as the aircraft was rolling out, no crash, no injuries, but no doubt 055 had a full work load that is NOT being flown today? and 055 is fully available for a full investigation, which has no doubt drawn some conclusions that you nor I will know anytime soon?

Incorrect facts. The aircraft caught fire upon landing, not when it was rolling out.

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"While the plane was landing, smoke above the right air intake was observed, then a local fire broke out," Sukhoi stated. The incident occurred at the Zhukovsky test centre, near Moscow, where the T-50 prototypes have been conducting flight trials.

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The landing was succesful and Sergey Bogdan, the Russian test pilot who flew the

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during the test flight, was unharmed.

And whether it was an engine malfunction or something else is still unknown.

Make no mistake, the Indian team is NOT happy, not at all, and they do feel that things should have been moving along much more rapidly than they have been, I don't blame them?? do you???

Based on what sources? Being a strategic program, everything about it is classified. The information you received about the Indian team "not being happy" was made up. Indian strategic programs are not based on public opinion. Just because your military is more vocal about issues doesn't mean our military makes public announcements of strategic programs, they are banned from talking to the media, unlike your military. So, some scribe suddenly getting access to secret military documents is downright hilarious. Heck, even ex-Indian military cannot get on internet forums and social media like Facebook. My friends in the military use fake Facebook profiles and even those are being rooted out.

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The top military brass has virtually junked a new proposal to "liberalize" the use of social media and networking sites within its ranks.

Given our socio-cultural ethos, the Indian Army is not yet ready to go the whole hog like western armies," said a source.

Incidentally, the more technology-advanced IAF and Navy, which have much better educated personnel, do not even have a Facebook page or Twitter handle.

If they won't allow their personnel to even have FB and Twitter accounts, you expect some civvie can get access to classified material from strategic programs? There used to be a lot of Indian military professionals on the forums a few years ago, today there is only one on DFI.

As for "things moving rapidly," they are talking about something entirely different. They want the original scheduled R&D phase of the FGFA reduced by a year or two. It has no effect on the Russian PAKFA program, which is ahead by many years compared to the FGFA, roughly 8 years ahead.

As long as production happens as scheduled, who cares. You can sell your snake oil to gullible people.

 

[Air Force Brat]

India Fast Tracks 5th Generation Fighter Jet Project With Russia

1. Roll out refers to the landing "roll out" after touch-down, get it? "roll-out"
2. There are lots of news threads about the Indians being unhappy with the progress that had been made, and Parrikar clearly states they want the FAFG much sooner than 2025.

 

[b787]

you do not need to argue, i recommend you all of you to wait a few more months, if the news are true all of you will see 2 more flying prototypes before the end of the year and perhaps 1 or 2 serial aircraft; if the progam is indeed in trouble then you won`t see that, and the words by Yury Slyusar President of UAC (united aircraft corporation) will not carry any truth
I am really waiting to see them

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[Deino]

Again to nitpick ... and a few posts above You resisted in a schedule to deliver 55 T-50 by 2020 ... so when there are only 2 flying this yea it is again delayed.

But agreed, ... let's wait ...