Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

[A Bar Brother]

1. Roll out refers to the landing "roll out" after
touch-down, get it? "roll-out"

Yes, I am aware. However we do not know when the fire started and where it started. Smoke was observed when the aircraft was still in the air.

2. There are lots of news threads about the Indians being unhappy with the progress that had been made,

The same thing repeated over and over and over and over again. You can look at all of them yourself, they simply repeat what that one guy said.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for any positive or negative news about a strategic program to come out in the open. Our only source about the programs themselves are MoD announcements in the Parliament which they cannot hide. Apart from that, all strategic programs come with gag orders.

and Parrikar clearly states they want the FAFG much sooner than 2025.

Has nothing to do with the Russians. Everybody knows contract signature has been delayed by 3 years, thereby delaying the R&D process. And Parrikar wanting the FGFA earlier doesn't affect the PAKFA program. FGFA is a follow-on program to the PAKFA.

The PAKFA program will soon be under production while the FGFA is yet to even have its first prototype flying. The Indian MoD wants the R&D process be done quicker,that's all. You are confused about two different programs.

PAKFA is expected to begin inductions in 2016, while FGFA is expected anytime between 2022-25. If you have doubts you just have to look at the Su-27 and Su-30 programs and the difference in dates between them. One was introduced in 1985, and the other 11 years later, in 1996. And unlike the Su-27/Su-30, the PAKFA Stage-1 and FGFA will have a major difference in terms of engine and avionics. Hence the damage incurred on the 5th prototype won't affect the FGFA program, it has its own set of prototypes which are yet to be revealed.

 

[Deino]

Nice shot ....

 

[A Bar Brother]

Another fan made artwork featuring 4 new prototypes expected this year.

 

[Deino]

Another fan made artwork featuring 4 new prototypes expected this year.

Already posted here:

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/pak-fa-fgfa-discussions.t7155/page-33#post-324922

... and even replied Yourself to that post so why post this fan-art again !?

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/pak-fa-fgfa-discussions.t7155/page-33#post-324926

 

[A Bar Brother]

Already posted here:

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/pak-fa-fgfa-discussions.t7155/page-33#post-324922

... and even replied Yourself to that post so why post this fan-art again !?

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/pak-fa-fgfa-discussions.t7155/page-33#post-324926

There are four new prototype aircraft in the version I posted.

 

[Deino]

Ah ... o.k. but I would have preferred that he at least corrected the previous mistakes instead of adding additional ones:

I still don't get it why he:
- lists 051 twice ? (first aircraft unpainted and painted 051)
- T50-6-1 is not shown as an Indian bird ?
- T50-7 is included since it is a structural airframe (otherwise the T50-0 and T50-KNS should also be included)

 

[Jeff Head]

Incorrect facts.

I think not.

The aircraft caught fire upon landing, not when it was rolling out.

In this case, I believe you did not understand AFB's use of some rather standard Air Force terminology.

Roll-out as used by AFB refers to what the aircraft does after touching down during the landing. So yes...it was during a landing...but AFB was not incorrect because it was during the "roll-out" phase of it. So AFB is correct in his statement.

He was not talking about the initial roll-out of a new aircraft.

 

[A Bar Brother]

Ah ... o.k. but I would have preferred that he at least corrected the previous mistakes instead of adding additional ones:

I still don't get it why he:
- lists 051 twice ? (first aircraft unpainted and painted 051)
- T50-6-1 is not shown as an Indian bird ?
- T50-7 is included since it is a structural airframe (otherwise the T50-0 and T50-KNS should also be included)

There are obvious mistakes.

About 6-1, it is possible the Russians may keep that version as a replacement for the 55 and deliver an extra Stage-2 prototype to India. Unlikely, but still a possibility. Of course, I'm basing this on my own experience, not from the artwork.

The only aspect that is correct in the artwork is the first 5 prototypes and the Stage-1 Russian version. Everything else is wrong in it.

This is the closest to how it is as of today.

The five prototypes, the Russian Stage-1 production version and the still uncertain Indian FGFA.

 

[A Bar Brother]

I think not.




In this case, I believe you did not understand AFB's use of some rather standard Air Force terminology.

Roll-out as used by AFB refers to what the aircraft does after touching down during the landing. So yes...it was during a landing...but AFB was not incorrect because it was during the "roll-out" phase of it. So AFB is correct in his statement.

He was not talking about the initial roll-out of a new aircraft.

I suppose so. The smoke was observed above the right intake while the aircraft was still in the air. The fire intensified and became visible to onlookers after the aircraft landed.

 

[Jeff Head]

Well...the smoke was observed while still in the air...and perhaps there were flames too then...but not seen.

As I understand it, the actual fire was observed during the roll-out which is what AFB was referring to.

No need to nit pick on the exact timing of the flames. The point was simply that AFB was talking about the incident occurring during the landing...just like you were.

We can at least acknowledge that.