Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

Deino

Deino

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FORBIN said:
Many they have need 20 :D but new or recent ?
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Pardon ??? That image is indeed recent and so far this is the 11th T-50 ... however if You take a deeper look You have:

051
052
053
054
055 (crashed) and replaced by 055R (aka 06-1)
056 (aka 06-2)
057 (= static)
058
509
510 still not finished
511

What do You mean with "Many they have need 20"?

Deino
 
FORBIN

FORBIN

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Deino said:
Pardon ??? That image is indeed recent and so far this is the 11th T-50 ... however if You take a deeper look You have:

051
052
053
054
055 (crashed) and replaced by 055R (aka 06-1)
056 (aka 06-2)
057 (= static)
058
509
510 still not finished
511

What do You mean with "Many they have need 20"?

Deino
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Thank you but a little lost for number with many many protos and a doubt for the last :)
 
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Meanwhile

First photos of the T-50-11

The first pictures of the last prototype dated Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA were published on 10 September; the T-50-11.
The first flight of this aircraft, which is the antepenultimate prototype, took place on 6 August (this information was never confirmed by the manufacturer), but like the previous prototype: no photos had been published as long as 'now.

It was in Novosibirsk that the first known photographs of this apparatus were taken; the T-50-11 carries the number Bort 511 Blue, in the straight line of the T-50-9 which carries the number 509 Blue.
At first sight, this prototype does not fundamentally differ from its predecessors; we can however notice some small things:

Presence of a "digital" camouflage but with colors other than the T-50-9. White has given way to a light gray

Absence of the 101KS-V targeting system (or a new frontal cache for the latter)

Absence of the barrel, a fairing masking the latter was installed on the site of the mouth of the barrel
The main radar and the radar antennas in the leading edges must be installed on the device. The absence of a perch on the radome and the presence of the side stickers points in this direction
Presence of a cooling grid of the barrel of different size and shape on the side of the apparatus
For the rest the device seems to present the same configuration as the last prototypes produced. It is quite clear that with a single prototype remaining to deliver (the T-50-10, future 510 Blue?), We approach the final version of the device ... If we put aside the question of Izd.30 engines

Rumors claim that the T-50-9 was the prototype with the avionics configuration of the series aircraft, while the T-50-11 is the prototype with the structure of the series aircraft. Difficult to know if this is the case or not but based on the pictures of the devices concerned; this hypothesis holds good.

The pictures of the prototype show the aircraft carrying two conveyor tanks; these are certainly not necessary for today's flight between Novosibirsk and Zhukovski (Moscow) but the engineers certainly wanted to play the safety card for a first long-distance flight.

With the arrival of this prototype, there will still be a device to deliver (the T-50-10) whose arrival is announced before the end of this year. In the end, it will have passed 7 years between the first flight of a T-50 and that of the "last" prototype; the production of a first batch of 12 series aircraft to follow in the wake with the commissioning of the devices in 2019.

We will therefore have a full opportunity to come back to this issue.

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Deino said:
Pardon ??? That image is indeed recent and so far this is the 11th T-50 ... however if You take a deeper look You have:

051
052
053
054
055 (crashed) and replaced by 055R (aka 06-1)
056 (aka 06-2)
057 (= static)
058
509
510 still not finished
511

What do You mean with "Many they have need 20"?

Deino
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Nice to have an accurate account of T-50 prototypes,,,,, especially appreciate your accurate accounting of 055R and 6-2.

Forbin's little addendum chart is clarifying as well.. does it state that the gun port is covered and additional cooling radiators for the weapon are installed??

I would add that once 510 is finished, they will likely begin production of the first batches of the 12 aircraft for the Test and Evaluation squadron! I believe they will once again press India on joining the SU-57 project in earnest, although they did heavily invest in initial design,,, India's involvement seemed to be truncated?

Those drop tanks appear to be 600 gallon tanks
 
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mack8

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Hi,

Just wanted to chip in regarding your post above Deino, 055 did not "crashed" but suffered a fire on the ground just after landing- if i recall correctly -on one engine, after suffering an inflight incident (OBOGS blew up, or perhaps engine problem of some kind, i can't recall exactly what the definitive problem was according to russian posters). Something akin to what happened to that J-15 recently.
 
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mack8 said:
Hi,

Just wanted to chip in regarding your post above Deino, 055 did not "crashed" but suffered a fire on the ground just after landing- if i recall correctly -on one engine, after suffering an inflight incident (OBOGS blew up, or perhaps engine problem of some kind, i can't recall exactly what the definitive problem was according to russian posters). Something akin to what happened to that J-15 recently.
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Deino is just stating that 055 is a "write off", they took the center fuse of 6-1 and rebuilt it, as 055, since the original 055 was unsalvageable,,, they did likely reuse the undamaged wings, tail feathers etc. to build 6-1, into 055R... that's all he was saying!

we all have a little different inflection on things, since many of us are not native "English Speakers", LOL.... makes this a lot of fun though!
 
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