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Anlsvrthng

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Gloire_bb said:
Curious:

Russian Empire/Soviet Union, while both known to occasionally produce innovative naval designs, only occasionally managed to produce trend-setting designs.
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Interesting, could name few trend setting design from the USA navy in the let say last 30 years ?


All the I can came up:
Zumwalt, with a groundbreaking main gun that hasn't got any ammunition
Ford, that needed 5 years to fix the weapon elevators that using electricity instead of old style hydraulic. Groundbreaking.
Litoral combat ship, that hasn't got any weapon, and has the survavibility of a yacht
Maybe the Burke, that still use the same , 80s vintage radar and targeting system ? Upgraded with commercial computer parts, of course, because saving money is making profit .


Soooooo groundbreaking. Like a money burning furnance.
 
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Anlsvrthng

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Gloire_bb said:
Burke, literally "the" prototype for all modern destroyers worthy of the name. It's quite a lot.
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Burke is a Ticonderoga class destroyer in new shape.

And that simply copied over the Russia vertical launch systems from the Kirov class : ) to replace the goldberg complexity loading systems.


So, you are right , if we go back then the first grounbdreaking design is in the 2nd WW on the USA side : )
 
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Anlsvrthng

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It is not really about Burke or triceratops or whatever, but the faith like beliewe in the next axioms:
1. USA innvoative, groundbreaking ,strong and clever.
2. Russia, China, India , eastern europe, middle east backward, followers, can only copy designs.


And it goes extreme length, like ad absurdum superiority due to LCD displays instead of CRT. If the LCD display on USA thingy.
If on Russia one then they ducktaped the display to pretend new design.
 
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gelgoog

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Their missile barges the Buyan-M also are proving to be quite useful as land bombardment ships. They used them in Syria and now they are using them in Ukraine. Each can carry 8 Kalibr missiles and is really cheap to operate. They are small enough they can use the canal system so they can redeploy them anywhere in the Black Sea, Baltic, White Sea, and Caspian if they want to. They have lackluster air defense capability but that is basically solved in the latest versions of the Karakurt. Only weakness of the design is the engines.
 
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pmc

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Gloire_bb said:
Other, Aegis/nifca destroyer-centric model is either too expensive for most countries(only US and China realistically do it right), or leaves its user at the complete mercy of redundant Space connectivity/naval AEW provider.
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I think this is model is practically at end of life. there is no evidence that larger ships can stay in ocean much longer than smaller ships. without replenishment that need to much larger. We are entering age of intercontinental cruise missiles and drones that fly thousand of kms. infact the larger ship height will work against it.
ships cannot launch drones that need long runways which will be increasingly needed for radar picket UAVs. The further increase in new materials the greater will be RCS reductions for new UAVs and missiles.

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