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pmc said:

how exactly it providing air defence that only knows shot down of drone over Sea is from another frigate. the rest of drones all reached Crimea. Moskov missiles didnot have range to intercept over land.
why you need that old missiles when Crimea land is cover by Bal/ Bation systems that cover entirely of Blacksea. i am not even counting other ships or airpower using more modern anti-shp missiles. they practice with these missiles much more than missiles inside Moskova.

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You really are living under a rock.

Moskva operates the S-300F. Estimated engagement range is 100km. The S-350 used by the other more modern warships have an esitimated range of 120km. Moskva does have some air defense value, not zero. Besides, if the ship didn't shoot down a drone. It does not mean it was useless. The other ship was probably in a better position to do so. Or they prefer to expend cheaper missiles from the other ships to shoot down a drone.

Crimes is covered by Bastion coastal missile battery. Yes, but coastal defence is coastal defence. A missile cruiser is a missile cruiser. A Moskva at sea has a different military value to a Bastion on the coast.

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I meant to say. Russia already gained what it wanted from the French. so there is little incentive to go over the same process again.

i am sure Chinese have done various commercial projects. but it does not mean they will want to work on Russian navy requirement, time line and budgets.

this is the reason given for behind Mistral project. the fact that Ka-52K was certified soon by Russian standards give credence that Russian navy looking at helicopter carriers much faster delivery at the time.
Bottle neck was the combat management systems and engines that Russia lacked at time. The modular hull construction is solved.

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Ignorant statement. You just assumed that China and Russia could not cooperate as well as France and Russia could. You have not argued with any of my point about how Chinese shipbuilding work. I think you really are racist towards the Chinese. I don't wanna waste my time debating with a biased fool.

Kich said:

If this was the first time, then Russian Navy heads are idiots for keeping the vessel that close to the shore.

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*wasn't*

typo

anzha said:

Sutton counts 240 crew. 45 officers.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1515428576593592324

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I have doubts that's its running a full crew. The ship is more symbolic than useful. Likely running a near skeletal or barely minimum crew.

They would also have left someone in the ship while it was being towed. You can't tow a ship without someone at the wheel.
If the ship sank quickly those people might not have been able to get out.

Tam said:

I have doubts that's its running a full crew. The ship is more symbolic than useful. Likely running a near skeletal or barely minimum crew.

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Politely, none of those shown were injured. If they had a fire and an explosion or were hit by Neptunes, there should be some sign of injury in some of the sailors. An explosion like either of those doesn't leave the crew unharmed None were shown harmed.

That's very suspect.

gelgoog said:

They would also have left someone in the ship while it was being towed. You can't tow a ship without someone at the wheel.
If the ship sank quickly those people might not have been able to get out.

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The normal compliment of the ship is listed as 486 sailors. You're not leaving 246 sailors on the ship as it was towed.

Finally, everyone, the memorial service for the ship mentioned sailors as well as the ship. Sailors died. We just don't know how many. I have suspicions, but there's little data.

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Sardaukar20 said:

You really are living under a rock.

Moskva operates the S-300F. Estimated engagement range is 100km. The S-350 used by the other more modern warships have an esitimated range of 120km. Moskva does have some air defense value, not zero. Besides, if the ship didn't shoot down a drone. It does not mean it was useless. The other ship was probably in a better position to do so. Or they prefer to expend cheaper missiles from the other ships to shoot down a drone.

Crimes is covered by Bastion coastal missile battery. Yes, but coastal defence is coastal defence. A missile cruiser is a missile cruiser. A Moskva at sea has a different military value to a Bastion on the coast.


Ignorant statement. You just assumed that China and Russia could not cooperate as well as France and Russia could. You have not argued with any of my point about how Chinese shipbuilding work. I think you really are racist towards the Chinese. I don't wanna waste my time debating with a biased fool.

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Engagement range of 100km against what kind of target?. 9M96 series missiles are much more versatile over 60g loads and in production both for land and sea. so upgrades highly likely.

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9M96 and 9M96D missiles differ only in the size of the power system. The range capability for the export version of 9M96 (9M96E) missile is estimated at 30 kilometers. The range of the export version of 9M96D (9M96E2) missile is estimated at 120 kilometers, but according to open sources, the range of 9M96D performed by the Russian armed forces can reach 150 kilometers.

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Cruiser at sea has much less value when it does not have system which are constantly upgraded. this ship was near Syria but couldnot contribute much. Every where else other systems are used. Newer Zircon with 2K range will make strike ships practically obsolete in Blacksea/Mediterranean except for air defense with much smaller missiles.




France and Russia had a history of cooperation in engineering projects. just look at civil aviation and ICE automobiles.
that may had influenced Mistral decision interms of quality and reliablity. than there are third parties that trust French systems and want them incorporate into there final products at the time. unless you give solid reason that current Chinese ship building methods, engines will be better than what Russians learned from French you cannot unilaterally proclaim a decision based on race.
they didnot give approval to French systems in 3 years of testing and those kind of systems will go into Ka-52M which is a later project. so think how long various subsystems take to certify according to Russian standards.

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More specifically, a new OES-52 electro-optical targeting system developed by the Moscow-based NPK SPP company will replace the current and much bigger GOES-451 targeting system produced by the UOMZ company at Yekaterinburg. According to Russian media, the prototype for the OES-52 was the French gyro-stabilised Safran STRIX targeting sensor used by the Tiger attack helicopter. Testing of the OES-52 system on a Ka-52 commenced in January 2015, and the system entered production in 2017 for Ka-52E helicopters delivered to Egypt. The OES-52 performs similar functions as the GOES- 451, but also houses five sensors; an infrared camera, an electrooptical camera, a laser rangefinder/ designator, laser beam riding for air-to-ground missiles, and a laser spot tracker.
However, the OES-52 is smaller and lighter, weighing 177kg (390lb) compared to the GOES-451 weighing 220kg (485lb).

Helicopters produced for Russian Army Aviation, unlike the Egyptian examples, are still being fitted with the GOES-451 because export systems do not have to complete full evaluation by the Russian Ministry of Defence: the new OES- 52 has not yet received Russian certification.

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Kich said:

This is all due to one issue.

Corruption.

As long as Russia is rife with corruption which siphons the little income it gets. Things will never get done efficiently as long as there's corruption. Putin needs to solve this first. This is the biggest issue facing Russia.

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Corruption may sound like just one issue, but it is always a combination of many issues. One of these issues - financial malfeasance- almost alway gets the most attention, because it is both the easiest to appear to make progress fixing it, and also because focusing on it it deflects attention away from a multitude of deeper intellectual rot that almost always underlying poor performance of large organizations with a deep political aspect and far reaching influence across the society in which it is embedded.

but in reality, financial malfeasance is usually just a symptom. Fixing it usually won’t affect deeper issues more fundamental to poor performance.

That most certainly doesn't look like the whole crew.

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The video shows the Murmansk-BN electronic warfare system, which carries out radio reconnaissance, interception of enemy signals and their suppression over the entire shortwave range at ranges up to 5000 km. The Murmansk-BN electronic warfare system is able to "stun" the territories of the EU countries closest to the Russian borders, disrupting military communications and leaving civilians without mobile communications. The Krasukha-4 electronic warfare system, the main task of this complex is to counter enemy aircraft, UAVs and missiles by affecting and disabling radar stations of aircraft at a range of up to 300 kilometers. The company commander spoke about the use of the Krasukha-4 electronic warfare system in Ukraine. "The complex has proven itself very well, works flawlessly in all weather conditions. Our main task is to cover the grouping of troops from radar reconnaissance and targeted enemy air strikes. During the operation, 12 Bayraktar complexes were discovered, we suppressed them and the complexes could not make a targeted strike on our groups."