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Anlsvrthng

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Russia has problems building the hulls. If they don't like the engines or systems China uses they're welcome to order the hulls and ask for a customization, even ship their own systems over to China for installation. China already builds ships for Arctic service.
It is not the hulls, or even the engines, but the whole system integration.

Same issue like with the Ford class carrier, or like Zumwalt.


Only difference is there is no 40+years ships designs filling up the production pipelines like in the USA.
 

pmc

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Freeing up manpower from the Moskva is a tragedy, not efficiency. Moskva was not useless, it was providing air defense cover and anti-ship deterrence for the other smaller Russian ships. Sure losing the Moskva will not have a massive impact on the conflict in Ukraine. But in the years to come, Russia has one less cruiser to face NATO.
how exactly it providing air defence that only knows shot down of drone over Sea is from another frigate. the rest of drones all reached Crimea. Moskov missiles didnot have range to intercept over land.
why you need that old missiles when Crimea land is cover by Bal/ Bation systems that cover entirely of Blacksea. i am not even counting other ships or airpower using more modern anti-shp missiles.
they practice with these missiles much more than missiles inside Moskova.
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Are you saying that Chinese shipbuilders cannot match the French shipbuilders for getting Arctic certification? Were you living under a rock? Or are you just racist? The Chinese have built icebreakers! Besides, what is stopping Russia from giving inputs to Chinese shipbuilders to meet their standards for Arctic certification?
I meant to say. Russia already gained what it wanted from the French. so there is little incentive to go over the same process again.
Chinese shipbuilders have built ships to international Marine certification standards like Lloyd's Register, Bureau Veritas, etc. They have built icebreakers. They are more than capable of catering to Russian requirements.
i am sure Chinese have done various commercial projects. but it does not mean they will want to work on Russian navy requirement, time line and budgets.
Shipbuilding is much more flexible than you think. Even if Russia is not wholly satisfied. They could even ship over their own propulsion systems for installation in ships under construction in Chinese shipyards. All Russia needs to do is to sort out the design changes with the Chinese shipyard beforehand. This is not an uncommon practice in international shipbuilding.
this is the reason given for behind Mistral project. the fact that Ka-52K was certified soon by Russian standards give credence that Russian navy looking at helicopter carriers much faster delivery at the time.
Bottle neck was the combat management systems and engines that Russia lacked at time. The modular hull construction is solved.

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Perhaps one of the most important lessons learned was in regard to close air support, especially by attack helicopters. Due to the high elevation of the Caucasus mountain range and the summer conditions, helicopters could not cross from Russia over
to Georgia fully loaded and armed, so there was no attack helicopter close air support for the first few days of the conflict. Ground troops had to wait until a temporary air base was set up in South Ossetia before they could rely on attack helicopters for close air support.106 It has been proposed that the Russian Mistrals will have some combination of Kamov helicopters on it.107 One of the proposed helicopters is the extremely capable attack helicopter, the Ka-52 Alligator (HOKUM B), which has a combat range of 450km.108 From the Georgian coast to Tbilisi is roughly 280 km. Therefore, having up to 16 Ka-52s sitting off the Georgian coast could have theoretically provided close air support to most of the western parts of Georgia
 

pmc

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Russia has problems building the hulls. If they don't like the engines or systems China uses they're welcome to order the hulls and ask for a customization, even ship their own systems over to China for installation. China already builds ships for Arctic service.
Engines and systems are often confused with hulls delay. all those VLS missile lunches certainly need indepth collaboration between systems and hull. i dont think Mistral had these things at the time.
 

Kich

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Russia has serious issues on basic military competencies. Even on basic things like military discipline, training, NCOs, logistics etc Russia is behind the curve. Then, there is also the military genious Putin who is planning wars from his sofa while reading the totally real reports from his intelligence agency that a certain neighboring country would collapse the moment they see the glorious Russian Army. And let's not forget the new addition for studying in military academies around the world, the "brother" war.

China can supply to Russia whatever it wants, but as long as Russia is plagued by such serious military deficiencies and delusional leaders, nothing is going to fundamentally change.
This is all due to one issue.

Corruption.

As long as Russia is rife with corruption which siphons the little income it gets. Things will never get done efficiently as long as there's corruption. Putin needs to solve this first. This is the biggest issue facing Russia.
 

Kich

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First footage (claimed) of the Moskva crew since the sinking:

Someone needs to screenshot the initial shot with a high-resolution version and count the sailors in that frame. And the multiple by 2, because of the other row behind the first.
I count roughly 200-250 in this shot.

Where are the other half? Wounded? Missing?
 
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