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Air Force Brat

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Well, this means they are using a few as Electronics Warfare or SINGINT aircraft.

MPA aircraft can also fulfill some of those roles but add Anti-submarine and anti-surface capabilities as well like the P-8.

Here's a comparison:

Russian TU-214

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US Navy P-8A Poseidon
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and this is an excellent place to point out that indeed winglets are a lot of style, notice the P-8 has NO winglets, but a very snarky less draggy wing tip, giving the wing some extra length, what a winglet can do is give an aircraft a little more effective span, and provide an end plate effect, to cage or corral the wing tip vortices, and to provide a visual cue in airport operations so that in ground ops, you know where that wing tip is in reference to other aircraft and buildings etc---there have been an insane number of aircraft collisions on the ground in the last 10 to 15 years.

I would also point out that NO fighter aircraft have winglets, so in all honesty I question the aerodynamic benefit touted for the winglet, but I would point out that if domestic and foreign commercial aircraft had the more optimal wing-tip of the P-8, there would be even more collisions and incursions into others territory.

One more thing, the original 737 was a stumpy, homely little bugger, that P-8 is pure gorgeous, I would love to have one on my flight sim, I guarantee that it would do a very nice roll if you kept your energy and airspeed up, I'm still a Boeing guy, I do NOT like the FCS on the Airbus, beautiful airplanes, but they lack exactly what it is the P-8 is oozing, I would add that I hope it does have a sidestick controller, but prolly not, that is one thing I like about the airbus.
 
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delft

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29 January

RUSSIA

Two Russian strategic bombers Tu-95 Bear-H conducted “training flight” around the UK … over the Norwegian Sea and the North Atlantic, passing west of Ireland to the south and then returning via English Channel and North Sea … although no intrusion into British airspace, UK authorities claim “some disruption to civilian air traffic” (giving no details) … London summoned Russian ambassador.
Yesterday as well as today the BBC showed itself to be pretty hysterical without being able to point to anything done by the aircraft contrary to established rules.
 

b787

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JSC "Tupolev" transfers once the upgraded missile Tu-95MS in the Russian Defense Ministry

January 28, AEX.RU - January 27, 2015 was handed over to the next upgraded missile carrier Tu-95MS in the Russian Defense Ministry under the state contract. It is reported by JSC "Tupolev".

"In the course of modernization carried out the replacement of avionics that will improve the efficiency of the aircraft's target until 2025" - the press service of the company.

Specialists of JSC "Tupolev" are constantly working on maintaining combat capability are in the ranks of Russian Air Force Tu-95MS, and also carry out work on their further modernization, including the provision of new promising aircraft systems and improve the reliability of complex elements.
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Jeff Head

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I do not think the jet has the same role, its role is more akin to the RC-135s main role.


Which is exactly what I was indicating when mentioning the EW and SIGINT capabilities it is clearly showing.

My point about the entire MPA mission was not that the Tu-214 is performing that mission now...it is not. My point was really that the TU-214 would make an EXCELLENT candidate for the MPA mission if Russian Navy wanted to develop a version of it to do that.
 

Air Force Brat

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Yesterday as well as today the BBC showed itself to be pretty hysterical without being able to point to anything done by the aircraft contrary to established rules.
Now master delft, what would the Russians do if you and I conducted a "sortie of B-1s" anywhere near of around "Mother Russia" , hysteria, prolly much worse would ensue, and we would never hear the end of it. Russia's latest love affair with these long range combat air patrols is nothing short of attempted "intimidation", if you want to intimidate your neighbors??? what kind of neighbor are you???? whats the point????

REMOVED POLITICAL PARAGRAPH - Sorry, can't let the politics happen on either side.
 
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delft

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Now master delft, what would the Russians do if you and I conducted a "sortie of B-1s" anywhere near of around "Mother Russia" , hysteria, prolly much worse would ensue, and we would never hear the end of it. Russia's latest love affair with these long range combat air patrols is nothing short of attempted "intimidation", if you want to intimidate your neighbors??? what kind of neighbor are you???? whats the point????

REMOVED POLITICAL PARAGRAPH - Sorry, can't let the politics happen on either side.
This is just what China is loudly complaining about and what has happened around USSR and Russia for decades. Indeed several US aircraft were shot down while violating their airspace. Think of Gary Powers and his U-2 as one of several. Think also of the two Korean airliners that were shot down in the '70's and '80's. First the 707 on its way from Paris to Anchorage that turned South and flew over Murmansk before being shot down by a Su-15 with 23 mm shells and that was able to land on a frozen lake. Then the 747 that flew over two naval bases in the Far East before being shot down by another SU-15 with missiles and with the loss of all on board.

Btw my Dutch newspaper called the Tu-95's today "jet fighters"!
 
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b787

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Which is exactly what I was indicating when mentioning the EW and SIGINT capabilities it is clearly showing.

My point about the entire MPA mission was not that the Tu-214 is performing that mission now...it is not. My point was really that the TU-214 would make an EXCELLENT candidate for the MPA mission if Russian Navy wanted to develop a version of it to do that.
Tupolev in its official webportal has a special section called special aircraft, these are Tu-214 derivatives, they do not have Tu-214R but they have 3 versions described.

Could they develop it into a P-8 equivalent? maybe, who knows?
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Jeff Head

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Could they develop it into a P-8 equivalent?


The answer to that, in terms of Russia developing it into a modern MPA is a definite yes, they are capable of doing it.

Now, will the do so? We will have to wait and see.

Also...if they did begin developing it would it be equivalent in capability to the P-8?

Well, historically the Soviet and now the Russian ASW capability, particularly for aircraft, has lagged well behind the US.

Could they overcome the historical disparity with this aircraft?

IMHO, doubtful.

Bu that is not as important as whether or not the Russians would develop a new MPA aircraft with TU-214 derivative that is much better than what they currently have?

I believe the answer to that question could easily be yes, and that in itself (IMHO) would make it worth their while if they had the funds and established the priority.

And THOS questions end up being the real issue for the Russian Navy.

Is such an MPA a Russian priority?

and...do they have the funds?
 
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