Hmmm...sounding more and more like the Russians may not get the vessels at all.
France ultimately may try and sell them and then use the proceeds to pay the Russians.
It will be very interesting to see how it pans out.
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France ultimately may try and sell them and then use the proceeds to pay the Russians.
It will be very interesting to see how it pans out.
The design is adapted to the requirement of the Russian navy so any other buyer will pay half the original price or there about, while, if I understand the matter rightly, France will have to pay a hefty penalty for non-performance of the contract. In the mean time the main advantage to the Russians is what they learned in the process and most of that will already have been achieved.
Poor French taxpayer.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Do you not think it would still be cheaper than handing them over? I mean how much is it going to cost over the years to keep those two LHD in check it will cost a lot more in the long term
It's like me handing over my gun to the local gangster and then I install house alarms and CCTV to make sure he doesn't use gun on my house, then why give him the gun in the first place? He paid me £200 for the pistol but then I will have to spend £2000 on further security to ensure it doesn't come back at me
No better off not handing the gun over so means France should hold on to the two units and find a buyer, I know Turkey would buy buy since France recognise the Armenian genocide it's not going to happen also since the Turkish design is finalised with Spain
I say sell then to Brazil or India
thunderchief
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
joshuatree
Captain
Canada would probably be the best alternate customer, their Amphibious Assault Ship Project is on hold and a discounted Mistral may be a perfect solution to the matter. The French relation (French Quebec) doesn't hurt either.
As for legal compensation, maybe a little assistance from NATO allies would make it easier for France to cancel the delivery a done deal?
How would a couple, or even a quartet, of Russian Mistrals be a threat to France or any other country? The European NATO countries spend much more on defense than Russia and China together. And US spend a multitude of the sum of defense spends the European NATO countries.
Miragedriver
Brigadier
December 12, 2014. TASS TV. Russia. The second Project 22350 frigate, the "Admiral Kasatonov", was set afloat at the Northern Wharf in Russia's northern capital of St. Petersburg.
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I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
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I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
Miragedriver
Brigadier
Severodvinsk, Zvezdochka shipyard
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I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
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I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
The Russians are now building up their surface fleet rapidly.
The Vladivostok (Mistral) Class Amphibious assault vessels were designed to project Russian Marine/Army power to foreign shores with both amphibious and air assault, supported by attack helciopters from the vessel itself. That's their principle use.
In the Baltic, the Black Sea, or for that matter anywhere else these vessels could be escorted, supported, and defended by other Russian naval and air assets, these vessels would pose a threat.
The Russian admiralty boasted about the utility of these vessels before the Ukrainian crisis...indicating that in Gerogia he wished he had had them because it would have made a week long effort on his part something he could have used to defeat the Georgians in 40 minutes.
They have also said that this deal for these Mistral variants would advance what they could have tried to do themselves by ten years.
Make no mistake...such vessels will give Russia a much better amphibious capability than they have ever had before. Such a capability could be a threat anytime it was used...and the Russians are smart enough to figure out a time and place to use them...if they feel have to...where the threat against them would either be minimized or mitigated by the use of subterfuge, surprize, or the applications of their own forces at a time and place of their choosing.
As I understand it, the plan was for the first two to be assembled in Fracne (with the after section having been built in Russia), with a follow-on of two more where they would be entriely constructed in Russia. Clearly Russia has seen a need for these types of weapons although some people question if they have a well thought-out, long term strategy to best employ this type of capability.
I personally give them more credit than that. If they reached a point where they purchased them and were ready to bring them into the fleet, then I have to believe that they had thought about it in detail, and had a long term plan for their implementaion and use.
They know what they are doing.
It seems now that they will have to recoup their money through litigation on the international level (which will probably take them ten or more years), and make the best use that they can of the technology and knowledge they already gained in the process.
One thing to note is that the Russians recently launched a much improved LSD Type Amphibious Assault vessel, the new Ivan Gren, which will displace 6,000 tons fully loaded and are meant to be able to transport up to 100 main battle tanks, are a large number of troops, to shore.
However, it only has a small well deck and is more of a bow-door design and therefore not capable of significant over the horizon amphibious assault, though it does have a decent helo landing deck and hanger on the stern of the vessel which would allow limited air assault.
The Russians launched this one, another is well along in construction, and they plan a total of six of them
One of the Vladivostok class accompanied by two of these vessels would have the makings of a decent ARG for the Russians.