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Jeff Head

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ahho

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TerraN_EmpirE said:
and Boomerang which is a 8x8 wheeled 15-20 ton vehicle. If they totally canceled Armata they would lose not just a successor to the T90 which arguably can be modernized but the BMP3M, which is a serious lightweight and down right anachronism compared to the Western and European offerings. Even long Time Users are now offering there own modernized takes. now for that the Russians still have options. the Uralvagonzavod ATOM for example tips the scales at 35 tons has very modern protection, The Gun system is quite potent it's internal crew of 3+8 is the same as BMP3 could fill all it's roles. but The Russians Would have to re engineer a version based heavily on Russian systems as the Current model uses a Swedish Engine and French systems.
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as well as use of the BMPT which is still new
upgrades could be done to the BREM-72Armoured recovery vehicle, MTU-90: Bridge layer tank, IMR-3: Combat engineer vehicle, BMR-3: Mine clearing vehicle, and TOS-1 MLRS. So it would not be a total lost but it would require a large amount of strategizing and procurement but still the heart of the Russian Combat fleet would be in the 1980's nother one that would be lagging is Russian SPH the current model uses a T80 Hull a T72 hull and a SA65 gun a relic from the Cold war.
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Terran, from the few post that I have read from you on Russian hardware, you seemed to be worried about it being outdated. For the SPH part that you have mentioned, I kind of agree that it is outdated and we haven't seen any new or updated SPH tech from Russia lately. For tanks, IFV and APC, IMO they still effective and the cost are still attractive. For long time users that are making their own modernized version, that could be due to their own engineering knowledge improvement and Western market opening to them, plus, they may want to domestically produce their own hardware. India as an example that can purchase from different markets, but they went with the T-90.

I think Russian hardware is well suited for itself and big armies, but if you are talking about small armies that have a good defense budget, proportional to its size, and can purchase state of the art hardware. I kind of agree that Russian hardware does not quite attract those customer.

As for BMP-3M, I want to hear a bit more from you on why it is anachronism compared to the Western and European offerings. I want to understand a bit more from you on that statement ;)

Also, did Russia receive any ATOM yet. The other question on it is, is Russia the only one using 57mm cannon or the French will also be using it. I am very interested on the 57mm Cannon performance
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

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ahho said:
Terran, from the few post that I have read from you on Russian hardware, you seemed to be worried about it being outdated. For the SPH part that you have mentioned, I kind of agree that it is outdated and we haven't seen any new or updated SPH tech from Russia lately. For tanks, IFV and APC, IMO they still effective and the cost are still attractive. For long time users that are making their own modernized version, that could be due to their own engineering knowledge improvement and Western market opening to them, plus, they may want to domestically produce their own hardware. India as an example that can purchase from different markets, but they went with the T-90.

I think Russian hardware is well suited for itself and big armies, but if you are talking about small armies that have a good defense budget, proportional to its size, and can purchase state of the art hardware. I kind of agree that Russian hardware does not quite attract those customer.

As for BMP-3M, I want to hear a bit more from you on why it is anachronism compared to the Western and European offerings. I want to understand a bit more from you on that statement ;)

Also, did Russia receive any ATOM yet. The other question on it is, is Russia the only one using 57mm cannon or the French will also be using it. I am very interested on the 57mm Cannon performance
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The First issue for the Russians is there targeting systems older targeting systems can only squeeze so much accuracy form there sensors. in order to get the most out of it the Vehicle need newer systems. those often require newer power generators and the like.
Now form a Fire power perspective The Russians know what they are doing and even there armor is good to and the BMP3 is frankly Overkill. A 100mm with a 30mm Coax and a 7.62 coax and two more MG's in smaller Turrets and more firing ports than you can shake a stick at. It's like a child designed it by saying "ALL the GUNZ" and well it corrects the biggest issue of it's predecessors the BMP2 and BMP in the form of there poorly placed fuel and ammo it still has a issue in the form of it's armor selection. It's optimized for fighting IFV's and has very thin armor on the sides. now these issues can be corrected with add ons which are smart. The biggest issue I have with it is it's more intent on using the Infantry as a weapons system of the Vehicle then to let the Infantry use the vehicle. the vehicle 's two ball mounted MG's and all the firing ports mean that the vehicle is optimally equipped for fighting with the infantry inside. even if you dismount and loose the firing ports fire the two MG ports still demand taking two of the squad.
now BMP3 and 3M are still superior to the proven failings of the 2 and 1 which are still widely in use by the Russian army and had the failing of having fuel tanks on the rear doors a fix applied filled those with sand but against modern threats there still thin skinned.

now to the ATOM. I was proposing using ATOM as a possible substitute in the case of cancellation. at this point ATOM is or rather was intended for export. Not for Russian or French use, the French have there own IFV the Véhicule blindé de combat d'infanterie and the Russians were working on the Armada. The ATOM uses a lot of French and swedish systems. this means that with NATO sanctions the future development is frozen at best. but the Russians could at least in theory derive a BMP4 out of it.
 
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I always thought that the BMP-3M was protected from 14.5mm AP rounds all around, guess I read wrong. I agree that the 2 ball machine gun (front facing only) is kind of useless if we are comparing to a remote MG and grenade launcher. I just read from Wiki (don't know if it is correct), the BMP-3 have 3 crew, 7 trooper and 2 additional seats. Is that 2 additional seats meant for the 2 ball machine gunner?

I wanted to confirm my understanding on what you (Terran) said. Basically the sensor package is not as updated and the armor is not quite suited for urban combat.

Just wondering, is air conditioning come standard to current Russian Armor and Fighting Vehicle? (does it come standard for Western Armies also?)

Does anyone have news on the Armada series vehicle. Were they able to work out on the price and the performance requirements?
 
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Jura The idiot

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Jeff Head said:
Yes, the second Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov frigate, the new Admiral Kasatonov.

These are very capable frigates. Excellent modern diesign.
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[video=youtube;PnvjhqrTd5s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnvjhqrTd5s&feature=player_embedded[/video]

now I very briefly went thru the corresponding thread on airbase.ru ... people, when complaining (and I generally look for complaints, not bragging :) say it took long (some background in English:
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) ... the latest post shows the Admiral Gorshkov leaving for sea trials:
[video=youtube;UBm-FsTNIME]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UBm-FsTNIME[/video]
 
thunderchief

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Russia’s air force to receive 55 fifth generation stealth fighters by 2020

MOSCOW, December 15. /TASS/. Russia’s Air Forces will receive 55 T-50 PAK FA stealth fighters by 2020, Vladislav Goncharenko, a deputy head of the military aviation programmes department at Russia’s United Aircraft-building Corporation /UAC/, said on Monday.

“By 2020, a total of 55 fighters of the fifth generation are expected to be supplied to the Russian Air Force,” he told the Ekho Moskvy radio station. In his words, the army would receive first such aircraft in 2016.

“Now, we are building prototypes, conducting tests. Works proceed in line with the schedule,” he said.

PAK FA, which stands for Perspektivnyi Aviacionnyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviacii, or Advanced Frontline Aircraft System, is a product of the Sukhoi Bureau, where its name is T-50. Five T-50 fighters have already been built and made their maiden flights, three more are under construction.

New missile for Russian fifth-generation fighter to be developed by 2016
New-type unmanned fighting and reconnaissance vehicles will be developed in Russia by 2018.

“It is the order from the Russian defence ministry. I think is will be executed in 2018,” Goncharenko told, adding that his corporation was conducting large-scale development works in this area.

“We already have ne flying drones. They are not vehicles that could be used to survey a battlefield, they are big reconnaissance fighter systems on the drone platform,” he said.
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