Russia Vs Georgia..a widening crisis!
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Baibar of Jalat
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Re: Georgia Attacks South Ossetia, War With Russia Looms
Look like T 62s however if they are T-80s they must be first version of tanks. I am pretty sure they are not, looks like it has five wheels. Plus driving side on right not center as T 80.
Look like T 62s however if they are T-80s they must be first version of tanks. I am pretty sure they are not, looks like it has five wheels. Plus driving side on right not center as T 80.
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Re: Georgia Attacks South Ossetia, War With Russia Looms
I know that the USAF is using C-17s to transport material into Georgia. I'm not sure about escorts or what type ship will be arriving in Georgia.
I know that the USAF is using C-17s to transport material into Georgia. I'm not sure about escorts or what type ship will be arriving in Georgia.
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Re: Georgia Attacks South Ossetia, War With Russia Looms
Georgia doesn't have any black gold in currency.
How are they going to get any hi tech western arms?
IMHO Russians are doing a fine job of making sure the Georgian army stay disemboweled.
Miss guided optimism? Where's the money going to come from?
Georgia doesn't have any black gold in currency.
How are they going to get any hi tech western arms?
IMHO Russians are doing a fine job of making sure the Georgian army stay disemboweled.
Re: Georgia Attacks South Ossetia, War With Russia Looms
I'd be more than interested about tactics used by russians... still following soviet doctrine (hardware is still mostly same, designed for massed thrusts of mechanized units supported by very heavy artillery fire) of armed combat or evolving into some other direction? This is the first time that we can analyze the modern russian army in battle facing more capable enemy than ragged guerillas.
In fact, probably first time latter-model soviet tanks (not export version tin cans which give whole T-series so bad name) are put to real test. Very interesting would to know how well tank self defence systems worked (ERA, ARENA) against georgian tank and AT missile fire...
I'd be more than interested about tactics used by russians... still following soviet doctrine (hardware is still mostly same, designed for massed thrusts of mechanized units supported by very heavy artillery fire) of armed combat or evolving into some other direction? This is the first time that we can analyze the modern russian army in battle facing more capable enemy than ragged guerillas.
In fact, probably first time latter-model soviet tanks (not export version tin cans which give whole T-series so bad name) are put to real test. Very interesting would to know how well tank self defence systems worked (ERA, ARENA) against georgian tank and AT missile fire...
Re: Georgia Attacks South Ossetia, War With Russia Looms
Well now the really interesting part for us gets to happen. We get to analyze the capabilities of the weapon systems involved. I seriously doubt that the Moskva was hit, so I think that we can confirm for now that modern surface ships aren't so vunerable to AShMs as to be irrelevant.
As for the T-72: I will wait for more info, but at this point I'm leaning towards negative. Georgian T-72s suffered quite a few casualties at the hands of the South Ossetians, and they were only armed with RPGs. The reactive armour did little, apparently.
Other weapons systems, we will have to wait.
As for Russian air power doctrine, I think that although 5-10 losses is not an erosion of their combat capabilities at all, it does show that initially they were not entirely prepared to handle Georgia's SAM network. A larger more complex one would have inflicted far larger losses. However this will be an excellent learning opportunity for them and they will be able to learn like the US has in Iraq and Serbia.
Well now the really interesting part for us gets to happen. We get to analyze the capabilities of the weapon systems involved. I seriously doubt that the Moskva was hit, so I think that we can confirm for now that modern surface ships aren't so vunerable to AShMs as to be irrelevant.
As for the T-72: I will wait for more info, but at this point I'm leaning towards negative. Georgian T-72s suffered quite a few casualties at the hands of the South Ossetians, and they were only armed with RPGs. The reactive armour did little, apparently.
Other weapons systems, we will have to wait.
As for Russian air power doctrine, I think that although 5-10 losses is not an erosion of their combat capabilities at all, it does show that initially they were not entirely prepared to handle Georgia's SAM network. A larger more complex one would have inflicted far larger losses. However this will be an excellent learning opportunity for them and they will be able to learn like the US has in Iraq and Serbia.
Costas 240GD
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Re: Georgia Attacks South Ossetia, War With Russia Looms
T-62's as mentioned and with partial NII Stali slat armor kits.
Are these T-80 MBT's without ERA & upgrades?
T-62's as mentioned and with partial NII Stali slat armor kits.
Re: Georgia Attacks South Ossetia, War With Russia Looms
The situation remains confusing, now I think this is becoming strange.
Russian forces still controll Gori and it's vicinity. Allegedly they're there to restore order and then turn controll over to local police. Then again, apperently police was forced out of Gori again after two hours. Some reports say even a show off took place. UNHCR staff was denied acces. South Ossetian militia men aggresively banished them. A lot of reporters caused nervousness with the soldiers. At one time one soldier (some sources say a russian) took the camara of a reporter with his pistol upheld. After seeing another one, he also chased that reporter and even shot into the air. (flash vid)
Russian forces also seem to return to Poti.
By controlling the coutries main traffic axis - Gori - they effectively limit movement considerably and tie up Georgia's economy.
Somehow, this is the next closest thing to annexation, bleeding a country out.
The situation remains confusing, now I think this is becoming strange.
Russian forces still controll Gori and it's vicinity. Allegedly they're there to restore order and then turn controll over to local police. Then again, apperently police was forced out of Gori again after two hours. Some reports say even a show off took place. UNHCR staff was denied acces. South Ossetian militia men aggresively banished them. A lot of reporters caused nervousness with the soldiers. At one time one soldier (some sources say a russian) took the camara of a reporter with his pistol upheld. After seeing another one, he also chased that reporter and even shot into the air. (flash vid)
Russian forces also seem to return to Poti.
By controlling the coutries main traffic axis - Gori - they effectively limit movement considerably and tie up Georgia's economy.
Somehow, this is the next closest thing to annexation, bleeding a country out.
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coolieno99
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Re: Georgia Attacks South Ossetia, War With Russia Looms
Late model T-72 MBT(T-72S):
Those brick-like objects covering the tank are ERA(Explosive Reactive Armour). Note that the ERAs are placed on top of the turret to counter helicopter-launched ATGMs, and top-attack ATGMs like the Javelins. It's very difficult to judge the effectiveness of these ERAs, since both American and Russian are constantly modifying and improving the offensive armament and defensive armours of their tanks.
Source: army-technology.com
Late model T-72 MBT(T-72S):
Those brick-like objects covering the tank are ERA(Explosive Reactive Armour). Note that the ERAs are placed on top of the turret to counter helicopter-launched ATGMs, and top-attack ATGMs like the Javelins. It's very difficult to judge the effectiveness of these ERAs, since both American and Russian are constantly modifying and improving the offensive armament and defensive armours of their tanks.
Source: army-technology.com