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pmc

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Considering that Russia is also lagging behind SK in semiconductors, electronics and automobiles, then the assertion that there is an incomparable gap between SK and Russia is highly questionable. Russia is ahead in some industries, SK is ahead in some others.
Russia Aurus automobile is advanced as anything. Russia fully can create EV buses for its cold climate. Russia does not go around the world creating research centers and sending most of its students to US and neither want to us Western vaccines. and it has full programmed to achieve input for semiconductor manufacturing. Only Russian government competent enough to recognize the reliability of Japanese vehicles to deploy them. they know what is Korean and what is Japanese.


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Russia Aurus automobile is advanced as anything.
Nah, it loses to competitors in its price segment pretty heavily, still a lot to learn to be comparable to RR or even Mercedes S-class according to many Russian bloggers who reviewed the vehicle -
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with crucial engine components coming from Japan and Germany, while the whole multimedia system is Chinese.
Russia fully can create EV buses for its cold climate
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Russia does not go around the world creating research centers and sending most of its students to US and neither want to us Western vaccines
Most of the Russian companies with large international presence are all in the resource industry, that's why they lack R&D centers. Other companies either simply not present internationally (majority of Russian companies) or don't have money. The remaining companies eagerly open offices and R&D centers in other countries or even decide to fully relocate -
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, JetBrains, Miro, nginx, etc.
and it has full programmed to achieve input for semiconductor manufacturing
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He can believe whatever he wants but Russia is not a big player in AI. Rather weak research (very little number of strong publications), big tech limited to Russia & some CIS countries (resulting in small revenues and limited data), largest models are usually just
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alone is probably more impactful than most of the Russian research tbh. Ideas from that work were used in Transformers (used everywhere in NLP now) and most of the CV architectures post-ResNet.
 

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Nah, it loses to competitors in its price segment pretty heavily, still a lot to learn to be comparable to RR or even Mercedes S-class according to many Russian bloggers who reviewed the vehicle -
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with crucial engine components coming from Japan and Germany, while the whole multimedia system is Chinese.
If it still coming from Japan and Germany they wont be making it. they are under full sanction.
what is to learn from RR? . has RR tested in -55C. does RR has airsupension with locking differentials in this weight class?. you are comparing different class of vehicles. EV bus is much harder than EV vehicle as EV bus has to practically work in 24hour schedule. so it need much higher reliability. in addition to much fast charging for this weight class.

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Most of the Russian companies with large international presence are all in the resource industry, that's why they lack R&D centers. Other companies either simply not present internationally (majority of Russian companies) or don't have money. The remaining companies eagerly open offices and R&D centers in other countries or even decide to fully relocate -
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they could have other countries subsidiaries like in Israel but those are mostly dual nationals. fully educated in Russian education system. Just watch among longest serving Israel PMs interviews like Netanyahu.

He can believe whatever he wants but Russia is not a big player in AI. Rather weak research (very little number of strong publications), big tech limited to Russia & some CIS countries (resulting in small revenues and limited data), largest models are usually just
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alone is probably more impactful than most of the Russian research tbh. Ideas from that work were used in Transformers (used everywhere in NLP now) and most of the CV architectures post-ResNet.
Russia is not responsible for global consumers at this point or they need to pubish it in public domain.. but develop its own high end technology that it can bargain in Middleast. Arab fully recognize this difference of independent research and so does the Israelis and it is they who control the global wealth.
 

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Hah. There is just no comparison. Russia designs and makes their own nuclear reactors for example. They also design and make high end aviation engines unlike any of those countries. None of those countries produce large aircraft like Il-76 or Il-96 and Russia does. Russian technological level is more on the level of Japan than those countries. It depends on the sector, in some sectors like semiconductors Japan is ahead, while in others like space launch Russia is ahead.

The Russian car industry lacked proper investment for decades so they mostly relied on volume and low prices instead of quality. They did try improving things with some projects, like the GAZ-3111, but they were poorly targeted. Making better quality sedans when the market was switching to other types of vehicles. That is why their car industry is in rough shape.
South Korea also makes their own reactors (though the designs are US derived) and instead of large aircraft, produce semiconductors (though with imported tools). They might not have space launch capabilities, but have better shipbuilding, cars and displays than Russia. So I would say that South Korea is similar to Russian levels.

If it still coming from Japan and Germany they wont be making it. they are under full sanction.
what is to learn from RR? . has RR tested in -55C. does RR has airsupension with locking differentials in this weight class?. you are comparing different class of vehicles. EV bus is much harder than EV vehicle as EV bus has to practically work in 24hour schedule. so it need much higher reliability. in addition to much fast charging for this weight class.


they could have other countries subsidiaries like in Israel but those are mostly dual nationals. fully educated in Russian education system. Just watch among longest serving Israel PMs interviews like Netanyahu.


Russia is not responsible for global consumers at this point or they need to pubish it in public domain.. but develop its own high end technology that it can bargain in Middleast. Arab fully recognize this difference of independent research and so does the Israelis and it is they who control the global wealth.
@xypher you were right about the Arab thing.
 

xypher

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If it still coming from Japan and Germany they wont be making it. they are under full sanction.
what is to learn from RR? . has RR tested in -55C. does RR has airsupension with locking differentials in this weight class?. you are comparing different class of vehicles. EV bus is much harder than EV vehicle as EV bus has to practically work in 24hour schedule. so it need much higher reliability. in addition to much fast charging for this weight class.
They could have stockpiled the necessary parts, it is a low-volume production. Learn to read dude, the part about RR was in the section about Aurus, not EV. Considering that Aurus is positioned as a luxury vehicle but cannot produce a luxury experience, then it got a lot to learn from RR, I've provided the videos - shoddy assembly, mediocre noise absorption, jerky gearbox, etc. All of this is unacceptable for a luxury-tier vehicle.
they could have other countries subsidiaries like in Israel but those are mostly dual nationals. fully educated in Russian education system. Just watch among longest serving Israel PMs interviews like Netanyahu.
There are many countries other than Israel. They most likely hire Russians and from other CIS countries because non-resource Russian companies have a hard time competing for talent against global giants - weak brand name, can't afford too high salaries for many people, limited business area, etc. They are also often losing talent to MAANG and other larger foreign tech companies.
Russia is not responsible for global consumers at this point or they need to pubish it in public domain.. but develop its own high end technology that it can bargain in Middleast. Arab fully recognize this difference of independent research and so does the Israelis and it is they who control the global wealth.
What high end AI tech does Russia have? As I said, Russian companies mostly just use models produced by American and Chinese researchers - transformers, resnets, etc. - and re-train\tune for their specific purposes, like Sber trained GPT-3 on Russian dataset. Russia is not strong in AI-related hardware and software tech\research. You seem pretty clueless on AI\ML industry.
 
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pmc

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They could have stockpiled the necessary parts, it is a low-volume production. Learn to read dude, the part about RR was in the section about Aurus, not EV. Considering that Aurus is positioned as a luxury vehicle but cannot produce a luxury experience, then it got a lot to learn from RR, I've provided the videos - shoddy assembly, mediocre noise absorption, jerky gearbox, etc. All of this is unacceptable for a luxury-tier vehicle.
The could or should have parts but it does not change the fact they will be building this vehicle for years to come. so they have confidence in 100% industrial supply chain. they wont waste time on it. your videos can be preproduction test vehicles that not fully bugs or software debugged. there are two assemply plants. one in Moscow and another in Tartistan. first year bugs in new plants is common thing. Various technologies will be developed and tested under this brand. it is too create Elite brand that can match Japanese reliability combined with Royal experience.
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There are many countries other than Israel. They most likely hire Russians and from other CIS countries because non-resource Russian companies have a hard time competing for talent against global giants - weak brand name, can't afford too high salaries for many people, limited business area, etc. They are also often losing talent to MAANG and other larger foreign tech companies.
there are many countries other but there are no country like Israel. if you still dont get this message than there is no point in discussing further. Just look at its size of Airpower relative to its size. Its advanced AWACS with inbuilt antennas into airframe from luxury passenger jet for high altitude flying. its satellite technology. its most advanced Intel chip designs. they dont need too much foreign education except for large immigrants from fomer Soviets.
What high end AI tech does Russia have? As I said, Russian companies mostly just use models produced by American and Chinese researchers - transformers, resnets, etc. - and re-train\tune for their specific purposes, like Sber trained GPT-3 on Russian dataset. Russia is not strong in AI-related hardware and software tech\research. You seem pretty clueless on AI\ML industry.
There is difference between Russian gov and Russian company. those governments that Russia deal know it.
Russia has large state sector . Both technology and wealth need to be practically demonstrated before credibility is built. thats why after so many years Russia is able to attract Iranian students. there are alot of people countries like Israel and Iran who are running this US semicon industry.

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The could or should have parts but it does not change the fact they will be building this vehicle for years to come. so they have confidence in 100% industrial supply chain. they wont waste time on it. your videos can be preproduction test vehicles that not fully bugs or software debugged. there are two assemply plants. one in Moscow and another in Tartistan. first year bugs in new plants is common thing. Various technologies will be developed and tested under this brand. it is too create Elite brand that can match Japanese reliability combined with Royal experience.
Meh, Jai Hind-esque "will"s don't interest me. You claimed that Aurus right now is as advanced as anything but it clearly isn't and many important parts are not of Russian origin.
there are many countries other but there are no country like Israel. if you still dont get this message than there is no point in discussing further. Just look at its size of Airpower relative to its size. Its advanced AWACS with inbuilt antennas into airframe from luxury passenger jet for high altitude flying. its satellite technology. its most advanced Intel chip designs. they dont need too much foreign education except for large immigrants from fomer Soviets.
Some irrelevant rambling again, fact is - Yandex, JetBrains and other Russian companies which can afford foreign R&D centers and offices do set up them. They have trouble competing for top-talent though.
There is difference between Russian gov and Russian company. those governments that Russia deal know it.
Russia has large state sector . Both technology and wealth need to be practically demonstrated before credibility is built. thats why after so many years Russia is able to attract Iranian students. there are alot of people countries like Israel and Iran who are running this US semicon industry.
Russian state corporations are even worse in terms of AI because they have a hard time attracting top-tier talents even on domestic market because of bureacracy, below average pay, and poor CV brand. What the number of Iranian students in Russia has to do with anything? See, you are now starting some incoherent word salad because you got destroyed in an argument. The US semiconductor industry is not "run" by Iranians, you are straight up lying, and most of the people in the semiconductor industry have nothing to do with Russian education. That's why Russia had to pay premium for
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- they don't have enough qualified people for such a project.

@FairAndUnbiased See, this dude will now also insert Iranians into his posts in addition to usual Germans and Arabs. Sad that mods allow such consistent low-quality posting by this dude, he is SleepyStudent-tier of factuality.
 

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Chinese Russian talking about Chinese cars in Russia. The doors work and they turn on. They also have heated seats and steering wheels.
This model sounds like a Chinese version of Toyota Corolla. Basic, gets you from A->B, works as intended. Practical and functional. I may have missed something in the translation, but it didn't mention reliability in cold/wintery conditions which is probably my biggest concern if I was buying a car in Russia.
 

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This model sounds like a Chinese version of Toyota Corolla. Basic, gets you from A->B, works as intended. Practical and functional. I may have missed something in the translation, but it didn't mention reliability in cold/wintery conditions which is probably my biggest concern if I was buying a car in Russia.
they specifically mention heated seats and steering wheel as Russian requirements. Probably because getting your hands and butt frozen into the car is bad.
 
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