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pmc

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does it take that much R&D to build a car that you can actually get into without breaking the door, and that turns on when you insert the key???
It can be production quality check. even if it sold. i am sure they can replace the door cheaply and easily. Thats the whole point of the brand. you dont over invest your best workers on it and consumers are conditioned to not complain.
They recognize reliable products and have distributed them everywhere. so that original assertion of prejudice have no basis.
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FairAndUnbiased

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To be fair, back in the day of this video even Chinese and Korean cars had quite a bit of quality issues.
Yes but Chinese and Korean cars were bad in terms of reliability, so they might need more maintenance, or were less fuel efficient for their size, or just didn't go fast.

But brand new cars having jammed doors or engines that don't work, not even for a single Putin visit, is unprecedented.

If 1% of the reliability of Russian military equipment transferred to the civilian sector then Russia would be in a far different situation.
 

pmc

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The intended objective is for the door to open and the car to start.
you never change your overall objective with one mistake or even several.
The objective is to build cars with less input of complex parts, lighter in weight relative to size so suspension dont deform too much over the years. need less expensive tires. this is too reduce over foot print across the supply chain and maintenance. i will add even price to it.
if certain luxury is intended interms of insulation and reliability than there are used Japanese vehicles.
I found that Uzbek girl video that i posted not because i was searching for her music but it came due to her travels in 20 year old Toyota LC Prado when she travel around Uzbek villages. Reliability, insulation, offroad Ability and above all not showing too much wealth to those people will be primary objective that i can think off. this cannot be achieved with any other vehicle. you will need to buy much newer and expensive vehicle. which can led to other bankrupt societies that are built around Germanic engineering. some of them need to show up in FIFA world cup to meet many Arabs to rescue his two A400Ms.
 

gelgoog

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Russian science is at the level of Spain, South Korea and Brazil, showing that Russia's true potential GDP per capita lies in that region, and can get higher with better machine tool inputs, just like South Korea and Spain, both of whom import machine tools for their industries.
Hah. There is just no comparison. Russia designs and makes their own nuclear reactors for example. They also design and make high end aviation engines unlike any of those countries. None of those countries produce large aircraft like Il-76 or Il-96 and Russia does. Russian technological level is more on the level of Japan than those countries. It depends on the sector, in some sectors like semiconductors Japan is ahead, while in others like space launch Russia is ahead.

The Russian car industry lacked proper investment for decades so they mostly relied on volume and low prices instead of quality. They did try improving things with some projects, like the GAZ-3111, but they were poorly targeted. Making better quality sedans when the market was switching to other types of vehicles. That is why their car industry is in rough shape.
 
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xypher

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Hah. There is just no comparison.
You are underselling South Korean industry and tech level. Korea also designs and manufactures its own nuclear reactors - APR-1400 is fully designed by KEPCO. Russia is ahead but not as much as you implied. Russia is ahead in aviation and space tech but behind in semiconductors, electronics, automobiles, EV-related tech (e.g. batteries).
 
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gelgoog

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South Korea is probably the most advanced of those. But even then the APR-1400 is a modified version of the US System 80 nuclear reactor. It is less advanced than latest Russian reactors which have enhanced safety with core catcher. And South Korea does not have the full nuclear cycle. They do not enrich their own fuel. And they have no fast reactors. France has a more sophisticated nuclear industry than South Korea.

It is hardly surprising that Russia lags in EV-related tech. Batteries have piss poor performance in cold climates. The cold reduces their range. Russia has wide expanses. And heating with electric is way more expensive. So instead they spent more money on natural gas powered buses and things like that. Russia as a major oil producer also has the dino juice that countries who want to move to an electric car fleet typically lack. Electric cars in Russia only make sense for the urban populations in Moscow, St. Petersburg, and the like. And even those people every so often go to family dachas in the middle of nowhere.
 

xypher

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South Korea is probably the most advanced of those. But even then the APR-1400 is a modified version of the US System 80 nuclear reactor. It is less advanced than latest Russian reactors which have enhanced safety with core catcher. And South Korea does not have the full nuclear cycle. They do not enrich their own fuel. And they have no fast reactors. France has a more sophisticated nuclear industry than South Korea.

It is hardly surprising that Russia lags in EV-related tech. Batteries have piss poor performance in cold climates. The cold reduces their range. Russia has wide expanses. And heating with electric is way more expensive. So instead they spent more money on natural gas powered buses and things like that. Russia as a major oil producer also has the dino juice that countries who want to move to an electric car fleet typically lack.
Calling it simply a "modified US system 80" is disingenous, APR-1400 is a Gen3+ reactor and heavily modified compared to even the OPR-1000. Fuel enrichment for SK is hardly a technological issue rather than a question of politics. Russia is ahead of SK in nuclear tech but certainly not on the level of "can vs can't" like you implied in the first post.

It does explain why Russia is behind but does not change the fact. Same could be said about the large aircraft like IL-96 - it makes little economic sense for a country like SK to develop such planes when they can buy Boeing and Airbus, there is simply no incentive.

Considering that Russia is also lagging behind SK in semiconductors, electronics and automobiles, then the assertion that there is an incomparable gap between SK and Russia is highly questionable. Russia is ahead in some industries, SK is ahead in some others.
 
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pmc

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You are underselling South Korean industry and tech level. Korea also designs and manufactures its own nuclear reactors - APR-1400 is fully designed by KEPCO. Russia is ahead but not as much as you implied. Russia is ahead in aviation and space tech but behind in semiconductors, electronics, automobiles, EV-related tech (e.g. batteries).
Korea fully relys on Western tech for its Reactors. It need permission for Western IP and Japanese input.
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You are mistaken that Korea can sustain anything without there global subsidiaries. why you do think Samsung has so many global research centers?. I am not even going into the Korea institute of science and technology.

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