ROCN thread

[SampanViking]

When we play chess, we say a joke like this "after you, it's my turn", so you won't play chess with both hands. The above assumption is just like that the PLA go there just for being your target. It's not movie, and you aren't Rambo. Have you ever seen how US troops strike? That's the way!

I quite agree on this. The idea that an Invasion fleet would simply go charging across the Straits without any major softening up is risable. Looking at the two comparable campaigns of the Battle of Britain and the Normandy Landings, illustrates this perfectly (and how not adheering to the formula can send you seriously off course!).

The Air War would have to be largely over before the Landing Fleet moved across the water.

 

[Gollevainen]

I dont think so. If you notice the turret of the ak-630, you will notice it has a revised, stealthier design. Now, this might not have been the only design change...this might be a new model ak-630.

and isent that just wishfull thinking? And even if it can move and shoot simuoloutesly, it doesent sufficent a good AA defence. It would require atleast some guided missile system to have adequate defenses against oncoming missile salvoes.

and soon, china will have its ka-29s to attack any taiwanese FACs.

according to....??

 

[MIGleader]

and isent that just wishfull thinking? And even if it can move and shoot simuoloutesly, it doesent sufficent a good AA defence. It would require atleast some guided missile system to have adequate defenses against oncoming missile salvoes.

Thats why I still feel the PLAN needs DDG's to provide superior air defence. The ak-630 is only a last-minute defence. Besides, i doubt a sea skua could use its full 25km range against a low RCS, low IRS ship.

according to....??

kommersant. I posted it in the "lack of helicopter" thread.

 

[Gollevainen]

Thats why I still feel the PLAN needs DDG's to provide superior air defence. The ak-630 is only a last-minute defence. Besides, i doubt a sea skua could use its full 25km range against a low RCS, low IRS ship.

well fine direction enough, would be going on whit the Houjan desing, just add good medium caliber main gun and Kashtan type of gun/missile CIWS. Im not sure why the production of that class was cutt of, but surely it dimension and displacement sufficent a lot beter sea boat.

kommersant?? refress my memory, I have heard that word before, just cant recall where and in what context...

 

[MIGleader]

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You can find my article here. Btw, this is not the only source which claims this, there is also one in chiense and another one in english(which i posted in the "lack of helicopters" thread.

 

[Finn McCool]

I quite agree on this. The idea that an Invasion fleet would simply go charging across the Straits without any major softening up is risable. Looking at the two comparable campaigns of the Battle of Britain and the Normandy Landings, illustrates this perfectly (and how not adheering to the formula can send you seriously off course!).

The Air War would have to be largely over before the Landing Fleet moved across the water.

Hmmm...That isn't possible. China has to land enough troops on Taiwan to take the island before the USN and USAF assemble enough forces to destroy any invasion fleet. I'm not saying that the USN is invincible, but I am saying that with several CBGs in the area, large numbers of planes on Guam and Okinawa, and SSNs everywhere, the chances of sucessfully attacking the attacking the island go way down. Thus, the Chinese would have to attack before the ROCs Air Force and Navy was totally destroyed. The Normandy Landings and Operation Sealion did not have a deadline, but the Chinese would have to pull it off in 2 weeks or less. So the invasion fleet woudl have to attack into an enviroment that was still very threatening. Obviously there would be days, or even a week or more of air warfare, naval attacks and constatn missle barrage, but it is impossible to tell how effective it would be. All I wrote was a rough outline. I don't even think it would be all that sucessful, when executed with the forces the ROC is likely to have after a "softening up" period. That is why it is so uncomplicated-Basically the idea is to fire as many missles as you can as the vunerable ships and a few at the escorts to distract them, and run away.

Btw, I am operating on the basis of a US intervention. And don't turn this into another useless discussion of an invasion of Taiwan. DON'T.

 

[sumdud]

In fact, we should be talking about ROCN only. Talking about an invasion is flamming and talking about an AK which Taiwan doesn't have at all, that's just absurd, so stay on topic!!!

What sort of FACs and torpedo boats does Taiwan have anyway? I know they have <50 Israeli Dvora (Hai Ou, seagull) boats armed with HF-1 SSMs, which might be hard to detect but is also hard to use in bad weather. They also have 4 "F"ACs armed with HF-2s running at 25 knots. Is that it?

 

[Gollevainen]

there are 46 Dworas according to Weyers.
Their main FACs are the one new FACG 60 boat and two Lung Chiang class boats and one Chiang Choiang class patrol boat armed whit missiles (but I think that most of that class could be armed whit missiles so it would make 12 ship in total. But these are only 25 knots whit top speed)

But most importantly, Both nations lack good modern MCM vessels thougth (at least in theory) both have good minelaying capapility. Mines are still one of the basic stuff in martime warfare and would play important role in possiple conflict. Either Taiwan or PLAN hasen't even fielded modern minesweepers, not to mention minehunters that forms the main body of other modern navyes.

 

[Su-34]

Guys, do you think that ROCN will acquire any AEGIS ships? ROCN needs AEGIS ships to be able to defeat the PLAN.

 

[Deleted member 675]

Guys, do you think that ROCN will acquire any AEGIS ships? ROCN needs AEGIS ships to be able to defeat the PLAN.

I'm not sure that the ROCN needs AEGIS-equipped ships - there are other platforms that can fulfill their needs. Also AEGIS is bloody expensive - the ROCN would do better to get more, cheaper vessels than a few very expensive ones.

In any case, the US has made it clear that it won't sell any Burkes to Taiwan.