ROCN thread

[FriedRiceNSpice]

well in asia only china has a very strong sub fleet all other nation either have no subs or a weak fleet

Japan has a modern, albeit small sub fleet that can still pose a credible threat to most modern navies.

 

[Deleted member 675]

Japan has a modern, albeit small sub fleet that can still pose a credible threat to most modern navies.

Absolutely. They're operating about 8 Oyashios (1 more should be commissioned this month), 6 Harushios and 2 Yushios. What the JMSDF's sub fleet lacks in numbers it makes up for in quality. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of those guys if I was an Asian nation.

Zergling's right, the ROCN is primarily geared up to fighting the PLAN. The chances of coming into conflict with Japan are exceedingly unlikely. The issue of the Diaoyutais/Senkakus is small fry overall.

 

[The_Zergling]

Not to beat a dead horse or anything...

But generally another thing that reinforced my belief that Taiwan only sees China as its enemy is the mindset of the people that I know and have talked to. Most of the exercises that aren't drill related have something to do with a hypothetical invasion, for example how tanks would deploy should Chinese paratroopers land in Taipei, and how to deter an amphibious landing, or the takeover of ports.

In addition, the other countries that are "more dangerous" than China according to the opinion of some on this board, i.e. Japan, Korea (I assume they mean South), Phillipines generally come off as okay/good according to the Taiwanese people.

Japanese pop culture (music, anime, manga, fashion) is pretty popular in Taiwan, especially among the youth. In addition, you'll find older people will remember the Japanese occupation era objectively, with its pros and cons, as opposed to "JAPAN IS TEH EVAL!11!".

South Korean pop culture is also pretty popular in Taiwan, namely the pop stars, and the movies that come from there, mostly comedy or horror, at least those are easiest to find in Taiwan's version of "Blockbuster".

Taiwan has many migrant workers from the Phillipines that are an integral part of the lives of the wealthy, and I don't see them relinquishing that easily for some petty conflict between the governments.

So basically China's the only "enemy" Taiwan fears and is prepared to fight against. The missiles and the saber-rattling don't help much either.

 

[DPRKUnderground]

I really think we should hand it to the ROCN. They have a modern navy, but because of politics they cannot get submarines. Let's imagine China and Taiwan are homies, they're cool with each other. Taiwan could most likely get any submarine on the market. Plus the foreign ships they're getting are being built at home. I really give a hand out to the ROCN. I think China and Taiwan should form a strategic partnership. Japan wants islands they both claim. They can share the resources and all. Taiwan wouldn't need as much, so China should get the greater amount. But anyways, Taiwan has a great navy, but politics has held them back.

 

[Vlad Plasmius]

The more and more I look into this situation the more I'm convinced Taiwan is incapable of really defending itself. The navy is just one more area. Assuming they get the P-3C, they'll still have to be able to avoid other factors like air defenses and be able to effectively locate and terminate any submarine posing a threat. Hard to imagine how they'll protect their seas with just 12 of them.

Their destroyers aren't much more impressive. In comparison to China's navy, Taiwan is at a clear disadvantage.

 

[cabbageman]

ROCN sucks because of the weak ASW capability.

All ROCN Gearing class ships are retired.

And actually, Kidd destroyers are the only impressive thing in ROCN.

 

[darth sidious]

ROCN sucks because of the weak ASW capability.

All ROCN Gearing class ships are retired.

And actually, Kidd destroyers are the only impressive thing in ROCN.

the Gearing are put on reduce crewing to save money they can be called back into active survice quickly

copies of perry are also not bad the Knox is also a good asw platform so I dont see whats weak about the ROCAN

 

[Finn McCool]

Vlad, your missing the point with ASW. Yes, the ROCN could use more of it. But they don't have much area to defend, just immediatly around Taiwan.

Also, all this talk about war with Japan is absurd. We all know that the ROCN exsists to protect the island from Chinese invasion. So that is why I think that the ROCN would be far better served by a large fleet of missle armed FACs that can fire lots of missles quickly and speed away. Rather than purchasing 1 or 2 new, advanced DDGs, why not go with an asymmetric strategy and get 6 or 8 misssle armed FACs? The Chinese may hav a couple of Sovremmenys, but can they handle 37 missles coming at them, especially when they have to protect vunerable landing ships? All of this without Aegis? Also, if the ROCN loses a Kidd, it loses a very expensive investment. Besides, Taiwan will never be able to build/buy more DDGs than China, or even convincingly match them, so why try? Get enough to do some damage and provide air defence and ASW. Use the saved money to buy a bunch of cheaper craft that can launch a barrage of missles, targeting landing craft. They would be relatively expendable. They would also have a much better chance of surviving an initial missle/ air strike.

 

[netspider]

Vlad, your missing the point with ASW. Yes, the ROCN could use more of it. But they don't have much area to defend, just immediatly around Taiwan.

Also, all this talk about war with Japan is absurd. We all know that the ROCN exsists to protect the island from Chinese invasion. So that is why I think that the ROCN would be far better served by a large fleet of missle armed FACs that can fire lots of missles quickly and speed away. Rather than purchasing 1 or 2 new, advanced DDGs, why not go with an asymmetric strategy and get 6 or 8 misssle armed FACs? The Chinese may hav a couple of Sovremmenys, but can they handle 37 missles coming at them, especially when they have to protect vunerable landing ships? All of this without Aegis? Also, if the ROCN loses a Kidd, it loses a very expensive investment. Besides, Taiwan will never be able to build/buy more DDGs than China, or even convincingly match them, so why try? Get enough to do some damage and provide air defence and ASW. Use the saved money to buy a bunch of cheaper craft that can launch a barrage of missles, targeting landing craft. They would be relatively expendable. They would also have a much better chance of surviving an initial missle/ air strike.

Finn, I agree with you, I always thought ROCN should go mostly defensive, such as ASW or even mine warfare. Mine warfare is even cheaper but still dangerous. ROCN two submarine taks should be laying mines instead of torpedo attack.

They may probably want to deploy more land-based anti-ship missiles instead investing on destroyers as well.

FAC as you said, is indeed a good idea. It does not have to match China's FAC in terms of technology or range, since ROCN's FAC does not have to go far and operate in severe water condition. Build a massive number of FAC should only cost a fraction of four expensive Kidd classes.

Overall, I think spend much on large surface combat warships is not wise at all for ROCN's limited budget, unless they can get a hand on US AEGIS type of ship, although that will cost even more.

However, all these depend on whether or not US will intevent in case of China's unification action. ROCN's primary task should only be delay PLA's progress to earn enough time for US intevention. I don't expect ROCN's surface combat warships will do much damage to PLAN at first place. After all, PLAN has offensive advantage, he can choose when to attack and where to attack. In the first round missile attack and subsequent anti-ship missle attack, ROCN's primary major surface ship and main ports could just vanished.

 

[MIGleader]

Also, all this talk about war with Japan is absurd. We all know that the ROCN exsists to protect the island from Chinese invasion. So that is why I think that the ROCN would be far better served by a large fleet of missle armed FACs that can fire lots of missles quickly and speed away. Rather than purchasing 1 or 2 new, advanced DDGs, why not go with an asymmetric strategy and get 6 or 8 misssle armed FACs? The Chinese may hav a couple of Sovremmenys, but can they handle 37 missles coming at them, especially when they have to protect vunerable landing ships? All of this without Aegis? Also, if the ROCN loses a Kidd, it loses a very expensive investment. Besides, Taiwan will never be able to build/buy more DDGs than China, or even convincingly match them, so why try? Get enough to do some damage and provide air defence and ASW. Use the saved money to buy a bunch of cheaper craft that can launch a barrage of missles, targeting landing craft. They would be relatively expendable. They would also have a much better chance of surviving an initial missle/ air strike.

Yes, the problem is that China is building FACs too. When asymetrical hits asymetrical...im not sure whats going to happen. Asymetrical is only good when your the only guy using it...

And in the end, both sides just end up pumping missles at eachother. Really boring. When the taiwanese FACs run out of missles, a Sov can come and blow them out of the water.

A FAC lacks air defence, so it cannot protect itself or other ships from Aircraft attacks.

A FAC lacks ASW, which the ROCN really needs.