Returning Turtles
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Autumn Child
Junior Member
Could you care to elaborate the difference between you and local chinese and also the different moral values that you have. I am asking because I am interested knowing alittle about cambodian chinese.
I myself find my moral views alittle different than locals, but this is natural because we are all brought up differently. By the way, there is more diversity of views and morality among local chinese population than most foreigner thinks. I guess local only speak out their views only if you know them well enough and most foreigners only get to interact with business partners which in my opinion have different set of morality than the ordinary people.
solarz
Brigadier
Have been away for a while, just catching up on some threads, so I haven't read everything in this thread yet...
I know of that case. The man tried to rape the girl, and the girl stabbed him, fatally. That's a clear case of self-defense.
Heh, I'm guilty of that too when I go to the US (I'm from Canada). In contrast, many Chinese have a blind adoration for anything "western".
I know of that case. The man tried to rape the girl, and the girl stabbed him, fatally. That's a clear case of self-defense.
Heh, I'm guilty of that too when I go to the US (I'm from Canada). In contrast, many Chinese have a blind adoration for anything "western".
bladerunner
Banned Idiot
Do you think they dont know?, or they just dont give a sh-t. In which case good for them.
Im not quite sure if one could qualify the above phrases as "patois" but as I am led to believe, in Singapore, they'e been trying to get rid of "Singlish" for quite a while, while many opponents think it should be preserved as being culturally unique. So why not preserve Chinglish, i think its unique as well. 10000yrs from now some archaeologist may stumble upon those signs, and they may become priceless anticquities with many Doctrate studiesalso
What do you mean by bringing? ........Do you mean exporting?
Ive just scored some Chinese moon cakes that were selling for $20 each or $75 for a tin of 4, now marked down to $8.00 each or close to $27 a tin, All I have to do is ease the expiry date of 30/9/2010 off them, and then I will be my wifes favourite person tonight. (she loves them)
Am I misunderstanding you when you said you did engineering?
My younger son just finished engineering in mecatronics last yr, and through lack of job opps decided to do a Post grad. Doctrate, hopefully part time next year, as he received a job offer from Fisher and Paykel consumer appliances which is part owned by Haier Although he really wants to work for Fischer and Paykel Health Care he might take it up working part time. So maybe you too can get to China through working for a multinational?
Its sorta working out for him although in the back of his mind he saw himself possibly working in Japan or in KOrea at some stage. So hopefully he might get to China through Haier at some stage , which is all good for him, as he speaks and writes Mandarin pretty well (having studied it at uni level as the extra required subject,( Course requirements, meant that he had to pick 2 papers to study, that had nothing to do with engineering. Chinese1&2 were acceptable) though he pesters me to teach him Cantonese, and China has been his thing for quite some time.
While in Beijing my wife and all fellow students were required to learn how write and speak about 1000 Chinese characters in four months. They also given this electronic learning device which contained the bulk of the words they learnt It consists of large sheets of written text and images.which hung on the wall, (keeping in mind this was supposed to be used in a classroom.) Point to it and the word or phrase could be heard through the provided sound box.
It had the option of interacting with it in about 8 other languages, other than English. there was French Italian German Russian Japanese Spanish Portuguse. So in the end through endeavour, one could learn the same phrases and objects, in any of those languages.
(Now thats the thing you need to brush up on your languages)
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Part of the reason I went off on you extra hard is that I've been trying to practice my polemical writing, so it's nothing personal. Also I forgot that you have personal experience of the tough times that Chinese Indonesians have faced, so I really shouldn't have been so hasty, but again I was kind of just been reading some Christopher Hitchens so I was in the mood for a good polemic.
When I said "racial inferiority complex" I guess what I was getting at is a tendency I perceive amongst some Chinese, particularly those born overseas, so be hyper-defensive and sensitive about anything having to do with China, and to display a bit of reducto ad absurdum about things being a "Western conspiracy" and a knee-jerk tendency to perceive anti-Chinese bias. I mean at times I feel like I could write on here about how I like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, and someone would accuse me of Western bias because I don't recognize China's long and glorious culinary tradition. Chinese people, whether in China or overseas, don't need to be like that because China's successes in the last half century (not to mention practically all of Chinese history) have made it self evident to the world that Chinese people and China are a force to be reckoned with, that they're at least as capable as anyone else, and that a central narrative of the 21st century will be China's actions as the world's greatest power. So that's what I mean when I say "inferiority complex"; China and the Chinese should recognize their own strength and be calm and self-assured, not jingoistic or paranoid.
In that respect I think I'm referring to some of the same symptoms that you were referring to when you said "racial superiority". I say "inferiority complex" because I believe that the sort of attitude we're both referring to arises mainly from insecurity about China's own strength.
And I do totally agree with you that the sufferings of China in the 20th century are sort of glossed over in the West. I tutor kids for World History, and when teaching them about WWII, I always emphasize that "every messed up thing that you can think of that happened in Europe, happened in Asia too, and don't forget it".
That knee-jerk tendency is caused by the constant bombardment against China by western media. Don't deny this, I can easily dig up hundreds of articles over the last few years if i tried.
As a result a lot of Chinese have very little patience and tolerance in dealing with such comments, even if you yourself have done nothing in particular.
Most younger Chinese don't feel so strongly about it anymore, myself included, especially the ones raised in the west since they bash their western government all the time, but there are still some who are high sensitive and ready to meet any perceive insult.
SteelBird
Colonel
Sorry for late reply. Do you mind telling where you're from? Below I'm going to tell you a little about the Cambodian Chinese. This is my own opinion only and has no mean to offend anybody.
According to my father, my grand-father and great-grand-mother came from China, Guangdong province, Mei county. The reason of emigration was war. So far as I know, the Chinese did not only emigrate to Cambodia but the whole Southeast Asia. When they first came to Cambodia (SEA as the whole), they are very poor but due to their hard working, they accumulate their wealth and play important roles in local economy. The Cambodian-born-Chinese (refer as CBC hereafter, and leave alone other SEA Chinese) are always proud of themselves being Chinese. Their hearts are toward China. When they talk about it, they refer it as the inland (国内). During the 1970s, to respond Mao's call on, the CBC formed a revolution movement cooperating with the Khmer Rouge and Vietcong to fight against the USA and its puppets. My parents were among those who joint the revolution movement and we almost lost our lives for that. After the war (1975), we escaped to Vietnam and came back to Cambodia in the early 1980s. At that time, under the Vietnamese style communist regime, CBC were under many restrictions (article 351) like can't study Chinese and can't own a house, and so on. After the Paris Peace Agreement in 1991 and re-establish of diplomatic relation with China, CBC regain their right and freedom. They form five clan associations; namely Teachew (潮州), Hahka (客家), Hohkien (福建), Hainan (海南) and Cantonese (广肇) and 13 family-name associations.
Before the 1990s, the image of mainland Chinese in our mind were pretty good. But they ruin their own image when large amount of new Chinese immigrants came and settle/work in Cambodia in the middle of the 90s.
The moral values of the CBC are family centered, respect elderly, responsible to their spouse and family (here I mean before we do something we would think about our family first, and once we get married, we intend to live with each other for whole life. Divorce only happens when there is no other choice, so very low divorce rate among CBC). One matter (very sensitive), the culture and tradition of Cambodia reject prostitution. The proud of us is that among 1000 prostitutes, you can hardly find one or two CBC while the mainland Chinese prostitutes flood Cambodia's night clubs. When we come to work at factories, there are many Chinese workers and supervisors. These people are extremely egoistic and unfriendly. They look down on local people as we are second class citizen while they are the first class. They speak their dialect very loudly like shouting at each other. If two of them are talking in my office, I have to cover my ears or simply walk away.
All in all, I find myself impossible to call us [the same]. I can't imagine one day I would go back to China and live with them. But the piece of land -- China -- is the mother-land regardless how its people's attitude and ideology be. My father has been thinking of taking a trip back to China, and I hope one day I would accompany him on that trip. Finally, if this creates any racist or country blasting, I apologize.
I think many of us faces the same thing as you Steelbird. You see my grandfather came to Singapore during the early 50s, because he had no other choice and with a big family to feed... my grandfather came from Shantou.
In the early 80s to 90s, all of us was amaze at the progress of China and I went back to visit my relative in Shantou. I am in love with the pure and helpfulness of the villagers then.
Then at the mid 90s to 2000, many mainland CHinese came to Singapore either to work or study... that is when I began to detest most of them... they are loud, crude and have absolutely no regards for other country's law. They rode their bicycle all over the place, spit on the ground, throw rubbish around. Their construction workers and supervisors shouted like nobody business.
In our MRT, they squeeze and push and do all sort of things that is really irritating.
In my workplace, they always came late, don't speak English (we have other races too, so English is a good medium) but I knew these people know English, they just simply do not want to speak... and somehow this would isolate the other non-chinese speaking colleagues.
That said... I have went to China a couple of times though in the past years, and I find that many of them (in fact most of them) are still okay and quite alright to be with... although there are still many bad eggs amount them... but I think same case can be spoken to all races.
Anyway... my point is, mainland Chinese... there are good ones and of course there are bad ones... same as all citizens from all nations.
bladerunner
Banned Idiot
Thank-you Steel Bird and Rhino, for what you said is very much the same in NZ. There is a feeling of disdain by the local Chinese towards their more recent arrivals solely based on their behaviour, however it is beginning to wain. One of the main behavior problems was with cars, man they went crazy.
Criminal offending was another one. According to the Dept of Justice, Crimminal offending by the original Chinese and their descendants was virtually non existant, a record we are very proud of but the mainlanders soon changed that, up to 6% per 100,000, Excluding food and REstaurants and the millions from study fees) fraud kidnapping, murder, extortion, brothels and drugs, are their biggest contribution towards NZ so far.
However what is going to be interesting is that, there is a general feeling that China regards NZ as test bed in biggish infrastructure projects, roading power projects etc etc, to get use to the higher standard of rules and regulations etc etc ( like not running over snails) before trying their luck in the bigger European markets, so it would be interesting to see what type of reaction comes about when KIwis meet Chinese supervisors etcetc.
Having said that, please note that NZ has had a long relationship with SE Asia over the decades that there was never the same problem with other ethnic groups or Chinese that came from Taiwan , Hong Kong, Singapore Indonesia nor other parts of SE Asia, whose citizens come to NZ.
About the snails I was just being sarcastic because a few yrs ago a roading contracter had to stop because the road went passed a crossing point of where some rare snail to our indigenous people, came out out at night. Months and millions were spent during the stop work to study the habits of the snail and to decide what to do. Its a thing the Chinese will have to factor into their costing, if they want to win work in NZ.
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RedMercury
Junior Member
Have some statistics to back this up or is this just another bit of race-baiting?