Returning Turtles

RedMercury said:

Have some statistics to back this up or is this just another bit of race-baiting?

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If you are asking me, than I could do better, I suggest you ask "Blitzo" he's a mainland Chinese in NZ who asked me why NZ Chinese disliked Mainland chinese a couple of yrs ago" and I havent really said anything different from Rhino nor Steelbird.

Meanwhile the 6% crimminal offending per 100, 000 was a number released by the police as reported in our newspaper.Prostitution and brothels are legal in NZ. 35yrs ago there were very few Chinese involved in the business, but now, by counting up the ads in the yellow pages or counting the ads in the newspapers, reveals a disparingly high proportion of Chinese as % of the population, engaged in this business.

Err well I don't really have any statistics either, so really I can't give proof or anything.

The feeling I get is that most mainland chinese people are rather ignorant of simple manners (this ranges the whole spectrum), at least compared to local NZers or NZ Chinese/Asian families.
There is admittedly a noticeable proportion of Chinese criminals, espicially in relation to drugs and money laundering (one of my mainland chinese friends has an older cousin living with them, and the police have been over to their house a couple of times snooping for drugs apparently) -- but these incidents (murder, kidnapping etc) imho is quite sparse. It's a tad harsh even with statistics to say that mainland chinese people's biggest contribution (excluding the student fees and such) is criminal activity though.

I can't speak for mainland chinese behaviour in public, as I spend most of my time still in high school -- BUT even some mainland chinese students are sort of rude or childish (at my school however koreans are perceived as being a tad more dodgy, espicially as there's so many). Taiwan, singapore, HK people are usually seen as more... friendly (right word?) than mainland chinese. I'd think that's because they're more "western" and would integrate with NZers more easily, but there are countless societal, educational and cultural aspects on why ML chinese are less polite/more rude.

It's just one of those things.

(Bladerunner, when you said "going crazy with cars," you did mean driving crazily in cars right?)


Also, just for fun; a few weeks back there was this chinese (or at least an asian that could speak mandarin) dude standing in Queens St in auckland CBD -- basically the times square of NZ -- with a big sign saying something about the lines of "90% of Chinese people is rude/lacking manners, 90% of chinese women is<insert rude word here>, 90% of chinese people is pigs". (incorrect grammar his writing, not mine)

He was asking for donations to keep his protest up, and quite a few people actually tipped coins in. The police were called quite a number of times, but for some reason they never arrived.
Finally another chinese person (3 days later) ran up to the protester and took the sign off him, running off with it. A security guard stopped the "theif" and the police finally arrived.
Afterwards there were calls for an internet manhunt of the protester. Not sure how far that got though.

Just an interesting tidbit, I feel it's kind of relevant to this discussion on manners and behaviour from mainland chinese.

Bltizo said:

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Also, just for fun; a few weeks back there was this chinese (or at least an asian that could speak mandarin) dude standing in Queens St in auckland CBD -- basically the times square of NZ -- with a big sign saying something about the lines of "90% of Chinese people is rude/lacking manners, 90% of chinese women is<insert rude word here>, 90% of chinese people is pigs". (incorrect grammar his writing, not mine)
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LOL, this would be pathetic but wouldn't be surprised if this incident is true. This kind of human psychology is prevalent among the cowardly.
A simple example would be a schoolkid joining the playground thugs who used to bully him, to now bully other kids, in the hope avoiding being bullied.
Another example more relevant to the discussion here is among minority groups around the world. After suffering some discrimination, the cowardly ones will try to discriminate against his own people in the hope winning acceptance by the majority, the ones who discriminated against him. I think this NZ guy fits into this.
The brave ones are the those who help by fighting against discrimination.

The most extreme examples are during war times when the cowards basically collude with the invaders in the hope of staying alive while the braves fight. During the Holocaust, some Jews joined the Germans in rounding up their own people and lived while many more died joining the resistance.

I think this is going off-topic and veering into dangerous territory. Suffice to say that there are 1.3 billion Chinese nationals and millions of overseas Chinese. There are all kinds of people of different motivations and personalities. There is no point trying to apply any kind of generalization to the Chinese as a group. It is also about as offensive to do so as to stereotype blacks and Jews.

Maybe solarz is right. I was very hesitated to bring up this topic when Autumm_Child asked me to. However, it's rather enough, please cease the discussion before it turns into any flaming war, and return back to the Sea Turtles.

SteelBird said:

Maybe solarz is right. I was very hesitated to bring up this topic when Autumm_Child asked me to. However, it's rather enough, please cease the discussion before it turns into any flaming war, and return back to the Sea Turtles.

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I think that's a very good idea

Bltizo said:

(Bladerunner, when you said "going crazy with cars," you did mean driving crazily in cars right?)
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HI Firstly thanks for your response

Yip, remember a few yrs ago about Asians cant drive and all that sh-t, the young Chinese from the Mainland weren't helping were they with their antics?

BY the way I thought you were off to China, Guess youll miss the Chinese navy when they are in town.

anyway back to the seaturtles.

Im suggesting that its not just the young Chinese that have some interest in going back . A few yrs ago in 2005 a family of young Nzder caucasians avg age under 25 headed to china and set up a business called "Zuru Toys" in Guangzhou, and they now employ 325 people and selling their products worldwide in 40 countries, through outlets such as Tescoes SAinsbury Wal Mart and Toys are us.

They say they pay big money for translators during business meetings, so theres a job for you :Sumdud", whereever Guangzhou is.

Actually i think these type of companies can be very useful to the returning "bananas" who need to find their feet and dont quite feel comfortable jumping in the deep end, when first returning.

Autumn Child said:

Its no surprise to see so many indonesian chinese in Canada. Many stayed after they finish their education there. Who can blame them from moving out of a Indonesian hell hole and move to Canadian paradise.

Those that return to Indonesia return because of lack of job in Canada or continue the family business of exploitation and corruption. But again, you cannot be the good guy even if you choose to in Indonesia. The corrupt government officials forces you to be corrupt, even the church and mosque are corrupt businesses. Its a free for all exploitation slugfest overthere. For those that doubt this, please check the rescent gas drilling incident near Surabaya. The accident cause mud to spew out continuously and already drown an entire city (thankfully without casualty) and it soon will swallow Surabaya, the second largest city in Indonesia. No one is paying the thousands of victims who lost their home to corruption and blunder,

Only Chinese can care about chinese, no one else will. We ought to stand in solidarity and fight for our place in this world that has no pity for us. Not saying that we should start a war and rough up everyone that have bullied us, but we should gain influence, raise awareness and fight for equality and right peacefully so that those attrocities will never happen again.

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i understand where you are coming from. i think there is a tendency for those outside our group to be fairly dismissive of our concerns. as an indonesian chinese, i can recall the horrible times during the AFC and the subsequent political fallout.

i left indo when i was a young kid but still have many relatives there.
although my family were lucky to not be affected directly by the mob violence, i hope it would not occur again.

i salute your struggle to fight for recognition and awareness of the unjust done to the chinese people.

Autumn Child said:

By the way, chinese, like most minorities living in north america is still prone to stereotyping and some racial discrimination that is not covered by the law. No body in norht america dare to say that the society is in perfect harmony, the perfect melting pot.

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TO say that the chinese or asians are living in a perfect harmonious melting pot is being very simplistic to say the least. unless of course, they are not chinese and never experience first hand the kind of issues faced by minority groups. then that will just be ignorant imo

rhino123 said:

As to whether people wanted to go back to China or not... well... I as far as I know, Chinese are a group of people who seriously keep many of their sentiments to themselves and are not vocal about it. Maybe they wanted to go back to China, but they sure are not speaking out... that is the case for some of the older generation people in Singapore that I know, they wanted to go back... but they do not want to tell others about it unless you are very very close to them.

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i actually know more and more people heading to china, mainly for work opportunities. my bro is working there now. he has been all over the world, asia, US, europe....

just yesterday i had dinner with an ABC friend of mine who is going to china after graduation because there isn't enough research funding in australia for his field.

alot of my cousins have been to china for studies (learn mandarin) and work reasons. there is still a deep connection towards the land of our ancestors, no matter how "foreign" we may seem.

i have a feeling as china develops we may see more of this.