Returning Turtles

I went there in Nov 09 for about a week. Spent most of my time in Haikou (the provincial capital in the North of Hainan), with a day trip to Sanya (~260km drive 1 way). I had a local driver who drove me around (sort of like a dedicated cab driver/tour guide who is licensed to do so).

My observations about Hainan in general:

1. The locals are complaining about the real estate prices. Since the labelling of Hainan as China's Hawaii, affluent Chinese have been snapping up properties there for retirement, thus driving up real estate prices. My tour guide was complaining that property prices in Hainan had risen 3 fold since 2003! (may be an exaggeration, but sky rocketing property prices in Hainan itself is not surprising as there is no industrial population on the island).

2. There are serious developmental efforts going on in Hainan at the moment. During my time there, I saw the construction of a rail network that goes round the entire island. Once completed, the rail system will cut travel time between the main population centres in Hainan substantially. IIRC, it should be completed in 2012.

3. Sanya is a really nice place for a vacation. Whilst there are a lot of resorts, it is not really developed yet if compared to Hawaii. Thus, there is still a bit of a country-side feel to it at the moment. The beaches there are really nice too. I went to Ya Long Bay just outside Sanya town. From the beach, PLAN warships in their new naval base can be seen!

4. Unfortunately, the issue with Hainan (and Sanya) is the limited amount of "public beaches" available to the general public. This is because a lot of resorts "buy up" beach fronts where only their guests (and those who pay a fee) can gain access to. Thus, the public beaches tend to be rather crowded.

5. Haikou is the largest population centre in Haina. But it is currently not particularly modern. Its shopping centres are a bit old. But, there are plenty of gleaming, modern residential properties being built in a lot of places. The modernisation of the city centre is likely to take place over the next decade or so.

6. There is talk of a long term plan to build a tunnel (or bridge) linking Haikou to the main land. If actually carried out, it will probably lead to a mini-boom as the current sea link is not very convenient and is subjected to the mercy of typhoons.

7. There are native minorities in Hainan (Miao and Li tribes) who mostly reside in the southern parts of the island. Some of these minorities are actually Muslims. My tour guide was explaining that these minorities are given hugely subsidised housing by the authorities, and they are the only groups of people allowed to do pearl diving (their traditional livelihood). Thus, in a sense, they have a guaranteed source of income (which is quite lucrative). And I get the sense that my guide wasn't too happy with the privileges enjoyed by the minorities.

8. My tour guide was aware of the forcing down of the US EP-3 a few years back. He proudly highlighted the airfield where the EP-3 landed as we drove past on our way to Sanya from Haikou. Apparently, this incident was quite a huge event for Hainan as quite a lot of people were aware of it.

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As an after thought, have you ever considered retiring to Taiwan?

It is not as crowded as the big cities in China, but has a lot of modern amenities and conveniences. It is not as polluted too, the people are friendly and service standards are pretty good. Property outside greater Taipei isn't too expensive either.

Thank you Spartan95 for the insight into Sanya. This has been very helpful. An issue I see with Sanya currently is there is not a whole lot of international flights. You need to take an connecting flight via HK or a larger Chinese city. I intent to do a little bit of travelling upon retirement and also expect visitors. Hence, accessibility is one criteria in any decision.

As for Taipei, I never even thought about it as I remember a few years ago seeing pictures of commuters wearing mask because of the pollution. Correct me if I am wrong but my impression of Taipei is the pollution.
 

In4ser

Junior Member
Thank you Spartan95 for the insight into Sanya. This has been very helpful. An issue I see with Sanya currently is there is not a whole lot of international flights. You need to take an connecting flight via HK or a larger Chinese city. I intent to do a little bit of travelling upon retirement and also expect visitors. Hence, accessibility is one criteria in any decision.

As for Taipei, I never even thought about it as I remember a few years ago seeing pictures of commuters wearing mask because of the pollution. Correct me if I am wrong but my impression of Taipei is the pollution.

Yeah I remember that when I went to Taiwan like 15 years ago, but its better now. It's still rather polluted but nothing like Beijing or many of the cities in China.
 

Spartan95

Junior Member
Yeah I remember that when I went to Taiwan like 15 years ago, but its better now. It's still rather polluted but nothing like Beijing or many of the cities in China.

Yep.

And the pollution is sort of seasonal too. During typhoon season (which is now), the strong winds blow the pollutants away.

Also, it depends on which part of Taiwan you are in. The majority of Taiwan that is west of their main mountain range (the side that faces the Taiwan Straits) tends to have more pollution as the mountains prevents the winds from carrying the pollution away. However, on the eastern side of the mountain range (the side that faces the Pacific Ocean), the air is actually very clean.

The northern and southern extremities of the island als has nice fresh air (e.g., Keelung).
 
Yep.

And the pollution is sort of seasonal too. During typhoon season (which is now), the strong winds blow the pollutants away.

Also, it depends on which part of Taiwan you are in. The majority of Taiwan that is west of their main mountain range (the side that faces the Taiwan Straits) tends to have more pollution as the mountains prevents the winds from carrying the pollution away. However, on the eastern side of the mountain range (the side that faces the Pacific Ocean), the air is actually very clean.

The northern and southern extremities of the island als has nice fresh air (e.g., Keelung).

Thanks for the input In4ser and Spartan95. I plan to do some travelling and will perhaps check things out myself. Thing is China is big and I will need to narrow my scope.

Kawasaki in Japan was also somewhat somewhat polluted as recently as the late 70s but the air quality is now excellent. If the evolution of Japanese cities are used as models, I believe Taipei and the other Chinese cities will also clean up their act sooner or later as the economy evolves. I just hope the pollution will get better soon enough for me.
 
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I am a American Chinese in Japan but have sinced moved to NY 3 years ago. When I retire perhaps within 5 years, I sort am debating if I want to retire in Tokyo, Southern California or perhaps Sanya Hainan. Southern California and Tokyo are both comfortable and familiar. Retiring in China is something entirely unknown to me but gets me excited.

I like the modern facilities, great services and conveniences of Tokyo as well as the weather in Southern California. I have some formal training mandarin when I was young and was somewhat fluent but I have not spoken

Have anyone been to Sanya, Hainan?
Do you have a recommendation on good place to retire in China?

hey how's it like in japan for chinese? how are the japanese people in general, in treating you, after knowing you're chinese? this is something i'm wondering. is there discriminating sentiments, and if so, how much?(percentage-wise)
 
hey how's it like in japan for chinese? how are the japanese people in general, in treating you, after knowing you're chinese? this is something i'm wondering. is there discriminating sentiments, and if so, how much?(percentage-wise)


I personally hae not experienced a whole lot of discrimination. I have been denied housing because I was a foreigner but this is because of misunderstanding, It was easily resolved since I speak the language and understand the culture. Nothing about discrimination on Chinese, I have encountered discrimination from parents in romance, nothing to get overly excited about though, Sort of understandable and it could happen anywhere and it was not only because I am Chinese. Perhaps I have even encountered discrimination from colleagues but there more than enough decent folks who are more than willing to help. Perhaps I have also experience discrimination with job placements, again nothing to get overly excited about as I can find jobs where I can be better appreciated.

Mainland Chinese may experience a lot more discriminations though since there was a surge of criminal activities by mainland Chinese not too long ago, They seem to have died down recently after the Chinese authorities started cooperating with the Japanese police in tracking the criminals upon returning to China, Some high profile criminals was even executed in China for murders commited in Japan.

Overall, the sentiment on Chinese is positive. What you hear in the news is tainted in my personal opinion. Even the recent arrest of the Chinesee captian is overly exploited by the media to build anti-chinese sentiment and does not necessarily reflect the general sentiment of the population. There are of course some misgivings but the people are calm and don't come out and start attacking Chinese.
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
I personally hae not experienced a whole lot of discrimination. I have been denied housing because I was a foreigner but this is because of misunderstanding, It was easily resolved since I speak the language and understand the culture. Nothing about discrimination on Chinese, I have encountered discrimination from parents in romance, nothing to get overly excited about though, Sort of understandable and it could happen anywhere and it was not only because I am Chinese. Perhaps I have even encountered discrimination from colleagues but there more than enough decent folks who are more than willing to help. Perhaps I have also experience discrimination with job placements, again nothing to get overly excited about as I can find jobs where I can be better appreciated.

Mainland Chinese may experience a lot more discriminations though since there was a surge of criminal activities by mainland Chinese not too long ago, They seem to have died down recently after the Chinese authorities started cooperating with the Japanese police in tracking the criminals upon returning to China, Some high profile criminals was even executed in China for murders commited in Japan.

Overall, the sentiment on Chinese is positive. What you hear in the news is tainted in my personal opinion. Even the recent arrest of the Chinesee captian is overly exploited by the media to build anti-chinese sentiment and does not necessarily reflect the general sentiment of the population. There are of course some misgivings but the people are calm and don't come out and start attacking Chinese.


As a frequent visitor to Japan in the past to and hopefully in the future to visit family living there, you have voiced my sentiments on the Japanese perfectly. Sometimes I think their attitude towards honesty quite refreshing, especially when i hear stories from my family and their friends, on how they get near free train rides.
 
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