Replacing the Jianghus and sub-chasers?

But have you ever been in a catamaran on board Baltic....?? We are not talking about North Atlantic, but a almoust a lake, with wind less than 20 meter per seccond, becouse in those conditions they doesent even go to the sea.......And Dergath vibrates in Black sea for christ sake!!...

And the US vessels that you mentioned are SWATH hulled catamaran survey and research ships....I wouldnt say squat about similar size warship based on those...its completely different requirments....

Golly you should take a vacation to Guam or Hawaii sometimes...., you'll be surprised how calm it is in the Pacific even during a typical thunderstorm, the only times it isn't it's during a typhoon and most countries already have enough warnings before a typhoon hits to divert their ships away from it.

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So true. The Pacific is like a lake compared to the Atlantic. In all my time tarversing the Pacific I never incountered the heavy seas like in the Atlantic.

ff Can't picture Golly in Guam or Hawaii... too much "good stuff" there for him...Probally too warm also...Never seen a pale Finnish dude sweat... ff

Gollevainen said:

But have you ever been in a catamaran on board Baltic....?? We are not talking about North Atlantic, but a almoust a lake, with wind less than 20 meter per seccond, becouse in those conditions they doesent even go to the sea.......And Dergath vibrates in Black sea for christ sake!!...

And the US vessels that you mentioned are SWATH hulled catamaran survey and research ships....I wouldnt say squat about similar size warship based on those...its completely different requirments....

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Wasn't the original arguement talking about "Replacing the Jianghus and sub-chasers?" in which case I would imagine those Cat Hulls to operate in the Pacific... not the Baltic, last time I checked China was bordered by the Pacific

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Why would China buy the Kashtant system since it already has the Type 730 CIWS it doesnt make sense. Since the range of the missiles of the TY-90 missiles are not as good as you say, then upgraded versions will rectify this. There is no need or proof that China will buy the Kashtant system and incorporate in its latest ships.

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Mehdi since this is quite fictional thread about possible JiangHu class replacement I have proposed Kashtan as air defense system for ~2000t corvette that would replace older frigates. Reasons for my choice were capabilities of missile subsystem that could provide adequate air defense on more then sufficient range thus negating need for separate mid range air defense system... Naturally this was purely fictional and I have never said that China will buy more Kashtans(or that they will replace JiangHus whit corvette I have proposed)

I also had in mind that PLAN has ordered this system for two new Sovremenny class destroyers. As for type730/SA-N-11 combo It wouldn't be first time that China dump indigenous missile for superior foreign system(license/copy).

I ment, that You cannot really claim that Baltic would have any way better sea conditions that Pacific.

I travelled in the South China Sea in the Fall one year, and sea states were pretty high. Another time through it was alot calmer, but choppy. This was in winter. It really depends on the season you travel these waters. Even though you can see varying high and low sea states in the Pacific, I agree, the Pacific is not like the Atlantic in any way. The Atlantic can be downright treacherous.

Here's some news on USN high-speed catamaraon HSV2 Swift operating in the Pacific:


US Navy catamaran comes to port
30 Nov 2006

KUCHING: The US Navy high- speed catamaran, HSV2 Swift, will be making its first port call here today.

The 98-metre catamaran was delivered to the US Navy on Aug 15, 2003, and had operated as a mine warfare command-and-support ship, Marine Corps troops experimentation platform and high- speed lift for relief operations.

The Swift, which was assigned to the US Seventh Fleet, Pacific Command, had contributed to humanitarian efforts in the global community.

The vessel transported relief supplies to Aceh, Indonesia, following the December 2005 tsunami, New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina and Lebanon this year.

With its 70-tonne ramp, high speed manoeuvrability and precision navigation equipment, it could load, transport and unload up to 500 tonnes of equipment and cargo in remote or shallow draft ports without the use of tugs or cranes.

It had a crew of 45 officers and enlisted men, complemented by another 20 officers and enlisted men of the Navy Air Department. It also carried a platoon of 30 US marines.

The vessel carried a SH-60B Seahawk helicopter, the sea variant of the famous UH-60 Blackhawk, and three Rigid Hull Inflatable Boats or RHIBs.

Under the command of Commander Charles Rock, the Swift had circumnavigated the world three times and visited every continent, but Antarctica.

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If the catamaran had circumnavigated the world 3 times already, I'd say it's a stable enough platform to operate in the Pacific...

yeas, a SWATH type catamaran...yarn...wake me up when we start seeing warships in that configuration...

Now it's not, it's normal wavepiercing catamaran. If it was a SWATH, the "catamaran" parts would be much bigger and in effect making the ships dispalcement much larger.

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From the pics shown, these parts are quite large and longer than the vessel itself with submarine shaped hulls. The difference between a catamaran and a SWATH is that the twin hulls are underwater, not because its bigger.

And Goll, I'm pretty sure you have not been to Guam, Hawaii, or anywhere in and near a US naval base, which I am sure I have.

From the pics shown, these parts are quite large and longer than the vessel itself with submarine shaped hulls.

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Well not to according to what I have seen...There should be something to call a bulge showing in the pix, but what I see its only common catamaran. SWATh would mean that large porpotion of the ship weigth and volume would be submerged...this isent the case with type22

And Goll, I'm pretty sure you have not been to Guam, Hawaii, or anywhere in and near a US naval base, which I am sure I have

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And I havent seen you on Baltic ferryes either My point is that Baltic, a relatively calm inland sea, and yet, today, 16meters/seccond wind and the Cats stayed home. Are you saying that there isent these sort of wind in Chinese shore???