QBZ-191 service rifle family
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Yeah I agree with much of what you said. I dont think the standard infantry 191 is a perfect rifle nor does it need to be anyway. In the end this rifle probably can perform what its intended to do without much problem and we know for a fact it can accept rigid metal free floated handguard and there already are in service in some capacity. They just wont do it probably because they dont see them equipping their normal infantry with any equipment that need those handguard in the foreseeable future. If someday the need arise they can just distribute new handguard i guess?
Sure there is. No black in between. How hard is that? Only hard for you if the barrel actually is free-floating.
Oh, there's plenty of disagreement.
There is literally ZERO definitions of "free-floating barrel" which requires the lack of existence of an attached gas block. If you think there are, go ahead and feel free to link to such a definition.
Again you missed the point, which is that there are NO rifles out there in the world that are not free-floating in one case but are free-floating in another case, including all the examples of service rifles with DMR options.
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The XM7 ergonomics are no more than the M4A1. Sig added the folding stock as it’s based off their MCX line a very popular weapon among SOF units and police tactical units. The base from of which is being used as a template for the Swiss army rifle, Berretta’s new rifles. The only ancillary aspect is the side charging handle. That was to Army requirements. The weight aspect is due to caliber. Making it a battle rifle vs an assault rifle. It’s actually a better build in that than the USMC M27.
Effective range against a man size according to the U.S. Army of the M4 carbine is 500m M16A4 550m area effect is 600m and 800m respectively that’s about the norm for an intermediate caliber cartridge with optic more realistic combat range is about 300m.
XM7 is a battle rifle that means bigger heavier bullets so effective man sized is 600m with area out to 800m. Mind you those numbers are estimates based on a mean average infantrymen. Some will be sharper some more blunt on shooting
Drones drones drones drones…. Give me a break. Drones are not the end all be all. Drone warfare is evolving as is counter drone warfare. The truth is Drones aren’t that Revolutionary Elon!
They are replicating existing capabilities but with their own trades and making this “drones and missiles” is a bunch of Whataboutisum. Infantry is and will always be the most important weapon on the battlefield as all of it is to support them. They are the only arm able to take and hold territory.
If the Armies of the PLA or the United States did not believe so then why bother with any modernization? Drones and UAS are just the current “Wunderwaffles” to support the infantry.
Yes and what of it? The QBZ191 will likely have its own changes made. That’s how production and improvements work. The M4 is almost 30 years old it’s already gone through about half a dozen revisions. First they put the RAS on it. Standardized buis, Then they put in a new buffer, they standardized on the full automatic trigger group, a new barrel, they added an ambi selector. The magazine replacement. Right now there is supposed to be another refresh of the M4A1 in the works. that’s not SOCOMs revisions that’s the US Army’s. SOCOM has made so many changes it’s hard to argue they are the same rifle. The URGI kit might as well be an M4A2.
Except when they don’t and as to “the second most powerful army” only in czar Vladimir’s propaganda. You might as well be arguing that nuclear weapons make all ground war obsolete. The Ukraine conflict is interesting but it’s had tank on tank battles, it’s had infantry assault. It’s the way it is because both sides are so Chess set stalemate. Where they gain mobility they move fast for a time then grind to a halt and then take ground by attrition. It’s almost like a game of warhammer 40k except both sides are play as the Death korps of Kreig.
So when are you introducing Martian walkers and heat rays?
News flash… XM7 isn’t shooting 7.62x51mm in the military, it is shooting 6.8x51mm. News flash the 6.8x51mm cartridge has a different energy transfer and ballistic coefficient it’s also significantly faster. The 308 has a pressure of 62k psi the .277 fury commercial is 82k psi. The commercial fury is .30% more muzzle energy vs .308, 15% more velocity and a far flatter trajectory. Again that’s the commercial.277 fury not the military XM 1186 which is an enhanced penetration round. So you are arguing from a completely false premise. In demonstrations commercial.277 fury ammo at close ranges has done significant damage to NIJ level IV plates far more than .308. Did it penetrate? No but then that’s the Commercial ammunition a nurtured round. .308 Winchester/7.62x51mm was developed from the 30.06 round in the 1950s! It’s almost 75 years old.
In what world are you living?
Both have infantry combat, both have Armored units in action. Maybe you should log off of X and Tic Tok to actually read and see the events of those conflicts.
I am not even going to reply or quote that BS. As you are unknowingly reiterating a speach attribute to Calgacus by Tacitus.
“Alone among men they covet with equal eagerness poverty and riches. To robbery, slaughter, plunder, they give the lying name of empire; they make a solitude and call it peace”
The problem is if you flatten everything it makes it easier to bypass and hold for… the infantry.
Maybe you should get outside and touch grass. Take a moment to actually read about the events of the conflicts and not the hot takes on social media. Because you have missed a massive amount of details and information. The fact is that well drones are a thing in Ukraine and Gaza they were not the end all be all. A hue degree of ground fighting was taking place. Russia and Ukraine have been fighting in trenches and drawing infantry in significant numbers. Israel was fighting street to street house clearing and searching for hostages. Well you drone about drones it’s all Whataboutisum as you can’t seem to come to a valid argument as to the flaws of the NGSW.
