QBZ-191 service rifle family

AZaz09dude

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The buffer tube that doesn't fit any of the current existing stocks in AR market, genius!

Who's gonna buy this if they can't accommodate their export version to foreign nations properly.

Almost every nation uses some form of AR or AK.

The worst part about the gun is the stock itself it doesn't seem sturdy nor does it offer many features other than being able to extend it they are better off replacing the buffer tube entirely so they can adapt existing stocks already..

There's a rumor the export version will cost more than the MCX Spear, 39000 USD.
Tbh if these end up being uncompetitive on international market for high end rifles (very likely) and they end up offering iterations with improved modularity, accepts AR parts, better handguard that actually holds zero, not fuckoff long supressor, etc there's a chance that the PLA might take interest in it, leading to improved QBZ191 variants at a wider scale than individual purchase/small unit contract custom handguards (fingers crossed that next wave of SOF reform is given actual funding)
 

Saru

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According to rumors from China’s online self-media, the price of QBZ191 is 39,000 yuan. But this rumor has become 39,000 US dollars in countries other than China?
Right even more expensive than that I forgot it wasn't 39000 USD but 39000 yuan which is 5K.
 
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by78

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More images of foreign trade variants chambered for 7.62mm (Russian and NATO) rounds.

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Saru

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Tbh if these end up being uncompetitive on international market for high end rifles (very likely) and they end up offering iterations with improved modularity, accepts AR parts, better handguard that actually holds zero, not fuckoff long supressor, etc there's a chance that the PLA might take interest in it, leading to improved QBZ191 variants at a wider scale than individual purchase/small unit contract custom handguards (fingers crossed that next wave of SOF reform is given actual funding)

If there's ever a SOF Variant of the QBZ191 or a QBZ20 Series, Right now it isn't very modular and lacks ambidextrous ergonomics.

Honestly I wouldn't mind if they take some inspiration from the MCX LT and shove that in the QBZ19
 

AZaz09dude

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If there's ever a SOF Variant of the QBZ191 or a QBZ20 Series, Right now it isn't very modular and lacks ambidextrous ergonomics.

Honestly I wouldn't mind if they take some inspiration from the MCX LT and shove that in the QBZ19
I dont see how ambidextrous ergonomics is an issue, the right side AK style charging handle might be a step down from the 95 but its placement is acceptable with proper training unlike on the QCQ171. Ambi safety is already present, and the wide mag release paddle despite seeming like an unintuitive motion can be pressed by the shooting hand index finger of both left and right handed users. I do hope the 5.56 version doesn't have the ambi mag release though lol in my experience all it does is end up getting bumped by your kit and dropping your mag while patrolling (rubber band it, IYKYK)

MCX style redesign removing the buffer tube might not be worth the squeeze. Realistically I think simply adding compatibility for AR parts, namely buttstocks, handguards and pistol grips would be the best and easiest route to take. They can straight up just clone, trial and issue existing parts that work, no need to waste time reinventing the wheel for shit from an existing market that's already been refined for several decades.
 

supersnoop

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For those in the AR compatible market, they would probably just buy the CQ as discussed before.

Some assumptions...
If the customer absolutely wants the AR compatible buffer tube on the 191, or 191 in a CQ/AR-body, it's just a matter of cost.

We know that the plants are flexible to accommodate smaller runs and slight customizations of existing platforms. There are a number of custom jobs produced for the Canadian civilian market that can't possibly number more than a few hundred. Most likely the adoption of CAD software makes this process much smoother.

We see the Myanmar EAO's with QBZ-03 and T97 with the former never widely adopted by PLA, and the latter modified for 5.56 (and assumed to be full-auto vs. the semi-auto which was exported to civilian markets)

The 5K USD price is very unrealistic, that kind of price is like civilian retail pricing level for like a rare rifle
 

Blitzo

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If there's ever a SOF Variant of the QBZ191 or a QBZ20 Series, Right now it isn't very modular and lacks ambidextrous ergonomics.

Honestly I wouldn't mind if they take some inspiration from the MCX LT and shove that in the QBZ19

For the standard PLA QBZ-191 I think the ambidextrous ergonomics are not actually too bad, specifically there's fire select on both sides, and while the charging handle is "only" on the right side and the bolt release is "only" on the left side, when reloading magazines from a held back bolt it wouldn't work too differently from either side (smack the bolt release on the left, and tap the charging handle on the right).
The paddle magazine release of course is ambitdextrous by design.

The bigger question is whether the export 5.56mm QBZ-191 will have a magazine release on the left side.


Tbh if these end up being uncompetitive on international market for high end rifles (very likely) and they end up offering iterations with improved modularity, accepts AR parts, better handguard that actually holds zero, not fuckoff long supressor, etc there's a chance that the PLA might take interest in it, leading to improved QBZ191 variants at a wider scale than individual purchase/small unit contract custom handguards (fingers crossed that next wave of SOF reform is given actual funding)

I don't even think they necessarily need an export variant for that to happen, I wouldn't be surprised if the PLA eventually commission an updated variant once they put a bit more money to infantry stuff in the near future.

After all, the suppressor is not something which is limited by the rifle's design per se (they can design a new suppressor), and developing a new FF handguard is well within their means and they're willing to procure it as well (as seen with QBU-191), heck they could even develop an entirely new upper receiver group if they really wanted to.


As always the question is whether it's actually worth it for them. I suspect for the PLA at large, just equipping everyone with a new assault rifle of better build quality, a flat top picatinny rail at a reasonable height that allows for a decent cheek weld, and mass fielding a fixed magnification prism optic, is already splurging a little.
What might be useful is if they wanted to give their SOF units and more specialist units the ability to make higher end procurements, then a limited production run of a "TZBD variant" QBZ-191 with a free floated handguard and new gas block design, or even a whole new upper receiver group, could probably be developed and bought with decent economies of scale -- over the whole PLA there's probably some 20+ SOF brigade equivalents that could benefit from it (though of course not all of them will need a rifle).
 
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