QBZ-191 service rifle family

ohan_qwe said:

Most people understand the implicit Self-explanatory if nothing is written.

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Who is your "most people"?

He very occasionally posts useful images of novel systems, such as the new automatic shotgun and the new export models of QBZ assault rifles chambered for different rounds, but these are a drop in the ocean of lame and retarded images he simply dumps here indiscriminately. This presents an organizational problem because he almost never says anything about the images he shares, regardless if they are useful/informative or not. He's like a person with a (囤积障碍), dumping old newspapers, junk mail, along with important personal documents and valuable items in a pile without separating them. Finding anything useful he has shared is like going through a hoarder's home trying to help him find his social security card. Look, I'm not asking him to describe every lame image he posts, but only that he should give a description on the very few informative images he does share, so that when someone is looking for photos of a specific system, he or she can find them using the forum's search function.

A high-resolution image of CS/LR42 chambered for 5.56mm.

by78 said:

A high-resolution image of CS/LR42 chambered for 5.56mm.

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One thing to watch for, for the 5.56mm variant, is the left side to see if there is a left sided magazine release (ambi).

What is the point of 5.8mm export version if they are making both 7.62x39 and 5.56mm? Who would bother with the logistics of switching to 5.8 for the marginal handling differences from 5.56? Seems more like a marketing exercise.

RedMetalSeadramon said:

peepee aint going to import Chinese anything

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It's private people doing the importation. If Norinco/Poly is flexible enough to make semi-auto versions at a cost that people are willing to pay, then Canadian companies will import it and pay for the RCMP clearance.

For example, QBU-88 was imported in small quantities a long time ago, retailed for about $3000 at the time which was almost as much as European rifles, so there was basically no demand, especially since the performance was not worth the price (which ironically turned it into a big collector's item and jacked up the resale price).

supersnoop said:

What is the point of 5.8mm export version if they are making both 7.62x39 and 5.56mm? Who would bother with the logistics of switching to 5.8 for the marginal handling differences from 5.56? Seems more like a marketing exercise.


It's private people doing the importation. If Norinco/Poly is flexible enough to make semi-auto versions at a cost that people are willing to pay, then Canadian companies will import it and pay for the RCMP clearance.

For example, QBU-88 was imported in small quantities a long time ago, retailed for about $3000 at the time which was almost as much as European rifles, so there was basically no demand, especially since the performance was not worth the price (which ironically turned it into a big collector's item and jacked up the resale price).

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You're right; Chinese military already stated that weapons using special type of ammunition cannot being exported, for that reason, they developed new versions of the QBZ-19, QBZ-03 and QBZ-95, for the 5.56x45mm NATO ammunition. They also have the 5.8x21mm ammunition for their pistols and submachineguns, but they adopted the 9x19mm Parabellum/NATO as their standard ammo, as well for export. The new generation of machine guns now available will be offered on those aforementioned calibers, for export sales.
Note: the idea of a light machine gun version of the QBZ-19 is now being discarded in favor of the Squad Automatic Weapons, pioneered by the FN Minimi/M249. This may have to do with logistics; if a foreign army invade China, it will be difficult for them to use captured weapons and ammunition. Perfect example of that was Afghanistan and Camboya; all warring factions used the same weapons (AK rifles, PKM machine guns, RPK light machine guns) and the same ammo. It's all about logistics.

by78 said:

A high-resolution image of CS/LR42 chambered for 5.56mm.

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The buffer tube that doesn't fit any of the current existing stocks in AR market, genius!

Who's gonna buy this if they can't accommodate their export version to foreign nations properly.

Almost every nation uses some form of AR or AK.

The worst part about the gun is the stock itself it doesn't seem sturdy nor does it offer many features other than being able to extend it they are better off replacing the buffer tube entirely so they can adapt existing stocks already..

There's a rumor the export version will cost more than the MCX Spear, 39000 USD.

Saru said:

The buffer tube that doesn't fit any of the current existing stocks in AR market, genius!

Who's gonna buy this if they can't accommodate their export version to foreign nations properly.

Almost every nation uses some form of AR or AK.

The worst part about the gun is the stock itself it doesn't seem sturdy nor does it offer many features other than being able to extend it they are better off replacing the buffer tube entirely so they can adapt existing stocks already..

There's a rumor the export version will cost more than the MCX Spear, 39000 USD.

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Are you trolling?

Who cares if it can or cannot use AR parts? That didn't stop the CS/LS7 from flying off the self nor the T97 from being the same. If people like it, they will make after-market parts themselves. And that's not including the fact that we've already seen third parties making after-market parts such as the stocks you're whining about.

If a nation is trying to equip its entire army with this then it wouldn't make any sense to care about aftermarket parts since I doubt there is a nation that equips its entire army with aftermarket parts.

If it's only for a select few individuals, then they would be buying whatever aftermarket parts for the gun when they become available regardless.

What part of this makes the stock not sturdy looking? What part of that price tag falls under common sense? Why would you even entertain such a rumor is beyond me.

We all know you don't like the gun for one reason or another but this is just nonsensical.

Saru said:

The buffer tube that doesn't fit any of the current existing stocks in AR market, genius!

Who's gonna buy this if they can't accommodate their export version to foreign nations properly.

Almost every nation uses some form of AR or AK.

The worst part about the gun is the stock itself it doesn't seem sturdy nor does it offer many features other than being able to extend it they are better off replacing the buffer tube entirely so they can adapt existing stocks already..

There's a rumor the export version will cost more than the MCX Spear, 39000 USD.

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According to rumors from China’s online self-media, the price of QBZ191 is 39,000 yuan. But this rumor has become 39,000 US dollars in countries other than China?

QIUSIYU said:

According to rumors from China’s online self-media, the price of QBZ191 is 39,000 yuan. But this rumor has become 39,000 US dollars in countries other than China?

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That boggles my mind. That would be 5K in USD. That would make it more expensive than a scar L which doesn't make any sense since the QBZ is produced at a larger quantity and it is less complex. I doubt the PLA is giving its troops a 5K+ rifle while being so stingy with its budget.

Standard model CS/LR43 rifle