QBZ-191 service rifle family

by78

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TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

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Saru said:
Different in their own rights, not really comparable the SIG MCX features higher stopping power but in exchange for speed, recoil and weight.

The QBZ192 features superior recoil but has weaker stopping power it weights significantly less, the PLA focuses mainly on recoil control, speed and versatility
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Mr. Saru you may want to recalibrate your sensors…
hooly said:
How does the QBZ192 carbine compare to the SIG MCX Spear LT I wonder?
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The Sig MCX is a family of weapons that comes in 3 generations the OG MCX, the Virtus the second generation were only in intermediate caliber pistols, carbines and rifles primarily 5.56x45mm NATO and .300blk.
The MCX Spear is a sub family of that family. Taking two forms
  • The SPEAR XM7 which is a battle rifle form in 6.5 CM, 6.8x51mm, 7.62x51mm and presumably other calibre that fit into the AR10 envelope.
  • The SPEAR LT which is the Assault rifle form in 5.56x45mm, .300blk, 7.62x39mm and presumably any other caliber that fit into the AR15 envelope
Spear LT takes some of the XM7’s features and integrates them into an improved version of the existing MCX platform. In a military configuration it would be the counterpart to the QBZ192. So comparison wise it’s more or less a tie. The Spear LT is going to be a bit snappier in recoil due to the QBZ191 having a buffer tube assembly vs the folding stock of the Spear LT. The LT though is going to be more compact in length because again the buffer on the QBZ vs a folder. Even when extended though LOP will be longer on the Sig because of the rail mounting and the hinge knuckle. Sig’s choices of barrel length keep it shorter. The LT having a 9 inch PDW/Pistol length barrel, 11.5 inch carbine length barrel and a 16 inch rifle length barrel vs the QBZ192’s 10.5 inch PDW length, Qbz191’s 14.5 inch carbine length barrel and the QBU191’s 21.7 inch rifle length.
Spear LT has a free floating barrel with MLok on on the handguard it uses AR style controls and manual of arms with an AR15 magazine well even for the 7.62x39mm configuration.
Type 19 is inspired by previous conventional Chinese rifles in manual of arms and controls using a small inset of additional mounts. I would compare it to the older Sig 556 classic.
SPEAR LT like the XM7 comes in FDE with a black barrel the barrel and gas system can be changed by an armorer AR style pistol grip. Controls are black for ease of use muzzle device is designed to mount an Sig supressor. Stock is replaceable with pic rail adapter system not common on AR style pistols. Multiple universal sling points. Receiver was designed for replacement of high wear points.
Type 19 is black with proprietary stock, grip and handguard. Handguard mounts to gas block and receiver.
SPEAR LT is basically a duel role product. It was developed like the rest of the MCX to easily transition between a selective fire military/LEO weapon and a semiautomatic only civilian or training weapon.
QBZ191 was designed for the PLA and PAP. It’s inspired by the AK and the AR with a heavy dose of previous Chinese rifles as well. It’s a military weapon and thus far a military weapon only.
 
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What a beautiful weapon. Simple yet complex, not the most innovative design but containing the best features from both AK and AR platforms. Truly the Honda Civic of service rifles, not as fancy and flashy as European designs (SCAR, HK) nor as powerful and hefty as the new American NGSW winner, the SIG Spear. Now it remains to be seen if China can pump out 100 million QBZ rifles to arm a fully mobilized PLA to fight the coming wars.
 
Aniah

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TerraN_EmpirE said:
Mr. Saru you may want to recalibrate your sensors…

Bold to highlight italics to correct.
The Sig MCX is a family of weapons that comes in 3 generations the OG MCX, the Virtus the second generation were only in intermediate caliber pistols, carbines and rifles primarily 5.56x45mm NATO and .300blk.
The MCX Spear is a sub family of that family. Taking two forms
  • The SPEAR XM7 which is a battle rifle form in 6.5 CM, 6.8x51mm, 7.62x51mm and presumably other calibre that fit into the AR10 envelope.
  • The SPEAR LT which is the Assault rifle form in 5.56x45mm, .300blk, 7.62x39mm and presumably any other caliber that fit into the AR15 envelope
Spear LT takes some of the XM7’s features and integrates them into an improved version of the existing MCX platform. In a military configuration it would be the counterpart to the QBZ192. So comparison wise it’s more or less a tie. The Spear LT is going to be a bit snappier in recoil due to the QBZ191 having a buffer tube assembly vs the folding stock of the Spear LT. The LT though is going to be more compact in length because again the buffer on the QBZ vs a folder. Even when extended though LOP will be longer on the Sig because of the rail mounting and the hinge knuckle. Sig’s choices of barrel length keep it shorter. The LT having a 9 inch PDW/Pistol length barrel, 11.5 inch carbine length barrel and a 16 inch rifle length barrel vs the QBZ192’s 10.5 inch PDW length, Qbz191’s 14.5 inch carbine length barrel and the QBU191’s 21.7 inch rifle length.
Spear LT has a free floating barrel with MLok on on the handguard it uses AR style controls and manual of arms with an AR15 magazine well even for the 7.62x39mm configuration.
Type 19 is inspired by previous conventional Chinese rifles in manual of arms and controls using a small inset of additional mounts. I would compare it to the older Sig 556 classic.
SPEAR LT like the XM7 comes in FDE with a black barrel the barrel and gas system can be changed by an armorer AR style pistol grip. Controls are black for ease of use muzzle device is designed to mount an Sig supressor. Stock is replaceable with pic rail adapter system not common on AR style pistols. Multiple universal sling points. Receiver was designed for replacement of high wear points.
Type 19 is black with proprietary stock, grip and handguard. Handguard mounts to gas block and receiver.
SPEAR LT is basically a duel role product. It was developed like the rest of the MCX to easily transition between a selective fire military/LEO weapon and a semiautomatic only civilian or training weapon.
QBZ191 was designed for the PLA and PAP. It’s inspired by the AK and the AR with a heavy dose of previous Chinese rifles as well. It’s a military weapon and thus far a military weapon only.
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Isn't 191 the standard rifle length and 192 the carbine? 191 is the default baseline so the carbine term doesn't fit for it.
 
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Aniah said:
Isn't 191 the standard rifle length and 192 the carbine? 191 is the default baseline so the carbine term doesn't fit for it.
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The definition of a carbine is. a light short-barreled repeating rifle that is used as a supplementary military arm or for hunting in dense brush.
The QBZ95 had an 18.2 inch barrel length the QBZ95B had a barrel length of 14.5 inches and was considered a carbine.
The QBZ191 uses the same caliber and barrel length as the B type.
The M4 of the U.S. Army became the standard issue service rifle and was still designated as a Carbine. The XM8 had it entered service was to be issued as standard with a 12.5 inch barrel and was called the “baseline carbine”.
The Mk18 the counterpart to the QBZ192 was developed as the “Close Quarters Battle Receiver” its the decent of the Colt Commando though technically a carbine. A carbine of a carbine?
If you want to get a headache the SKS or “Samozaryadny karabin sistemy Simonova” was a Carbine according to the name despite a 20 inch barrel. The STG 44 had a laundry list of designations including Mkb 42 for Machine Carbine with a 16.5 inch barrel.

The Automat Kalashnikov was classed as a Submachine gun for both the Russian and Chinese.

So the definition is flexible. Generally As the Type 19 family clearly was built with the AR15 mold In mind I choose to use the Terms associated with the AR15’s military derived forms this also coincides with the AK series and how the QBZ 95 was classed. The reason I feel I can say this is simply the fact that the terminology is actually very vague as I have just shown. I mean the SKS is a carbine with a 20 inch barrel well the AK firing the same round with a 16 inch barrel serves as the main issue service rifle yet it’s a Sub machine gun?
So greater than a 16 inch barrel length are rifles or Designed Marksmen Rifles when using a heavy barrel. Examples M16 (20 inches), AKM/ AK74 (16.3 inches), G36 (18.9 inches).
Below 16 inches but longer that 11.5 inches are Carbines, Kurtz. M4 (14.5 inches) , G36K (12.5 inches), AK102 (12.5 inches)
Below 11.5 inch barrel Commando, Compact carbine, PDW. Mk18 (10.3 inches), G36C (9 inches), Aks74U (8.1 inches).
 
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