QBZ-191 service rifle family
- Thread starter Blitzo
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Why the stock looks photoshopped?
Low quality picture, and being different from the normal stock.
I'm not sure if the new PDW variant has this new type of stock, because the poor quality of the image means it may be a Photoshop, but it could also be real and only looks photoshopped due to the poor image quality and the fact we aren't used to anything which appears different.
In fact, this is a drawn image, not an actual weapon
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
It looks to me like it’s added a QD point for a sling just in front of the adjustment lever. The QBZ 191 to date hasn’t shown such a system for sling mounting.
The Mk18 has a 10.3 inch barrel the QBZ192 has the same already. The M4A1 barrel is 14.5 inches same for the QBZ191 so assuming a similar sized can it’s still going to be shorter than an M16. Which has a long history of being used in CQB very effectively. Besides where is the can?
AFV crew’s maybe. But fighter pilots? I Doubt it atleast not with the depiction. For say a helicopter or transport Pilot maybe.
@Blitzo here is my argument against it. You might recall a couple years back the USAF issued a carbine for downed pilots the GAU-5A. A modified M4 carbine with a barrel takedown latch mechanisms and folding pistol grip. These modifications were necessitated by the fact that the rifle was going to be stowed on the emergency kit under the pilots seat.
Despite jokes to the contrary that seat is fairly uniform to other ejection seats. The carbine had to fit into a 16x14x3.5 inch space inside the box.
Now we have been using the M4 as a ruler for the QBZ191 and Mk18 for the QBZ192. Which would give the overall length of the QBZ192 about 26.75 inches fully retracted stock. Obviously that wouldn’t fit in a 16 inch box. Now we don’t have measurements on this new carbine but as it seems just a bit shorter than QBZ192 but not dramatically shorter. I think we can still analog. There are a number of short barrel commercial AR15 models that have barrels as short as 7-9 inches. I picked the LWRCI M6 IC PSD. That’s long and confusing name but basically a commercial piston AR with an 8.5 inch barrel with standard mil spec extension and compressed stock it’s 25 inches long.
Clearly 9 inches too long. Obviously there will be some discrepancy here but Even with an abbreviated receiver extension PDW stock that only has 3.5 inches of buffer tube it’s still 20 inches compressed. The only way to get it to the length where it should fit in a Escape bag of an ejection seat would probably require a barrel length of less than 4 inches. That’s definitely not what we are seeing in the above image. The stock is clearly abbreviated but looks closer to 6 inches than 3.5. The barrel may be 8.5 inches or thereabouts but it’s definitely not a 4” nub.
The GAU-5A used a take down system and folding grip to try and take up as little room as possible. Well I imagine if broken down this carbine (assuming it’s real and not just a fantasy) would be fairly short. It would impose two issues. 1) it’s still going to take volume. The GAU folded and compacted whatever it could to take up as little space as possible. Including the pistol grip.
2) some assembly required. Now yes the Gau also requires assembly but the take down mechanism means it was just latching the barrel into place where in a broken down mode you have to consider the upper, lower, buffer and BCG.
Frankly the cut down CS/LS7 set up like the MP5K with a side folding wire stock would probably work better.
Tbh I'm not married to the idea, and I don't think it's that likely, but let's be honest it is one of the few options out there apart from giving it to AFV crews.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Armored crews, helicopter and transport, Personnel security detachments for General officers and VIPs. Could also work in a Sino corner shot system or for a specialized role like the LVAW adopted by Socom or just a prototype that never goes anywhere.
US pilots where ejecting over Afghanistan or a hypothetical war in Europe. Chinese pilots would probably eject over China or the sea.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
And you are to a degree correct but US pilots still have their Mae West and inflatable raft in the kit. The survival kit doesn’t change because of the theater so the same set would be used by USAF flying around Korea, Japan, Guam, Hawaii and the like.