QBZ-191 service rifle family

Saru

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A picture where I try to scale the long and short barrels as closely together as I can.
Funnily enough the pictures I posted on twitter with the pic viewer seems to somehow manage to scale them automatically very closely, which is why you see the arrows there

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Obviously the same one just with a different barrel
 

by78

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Clearer screen captures of the new rifle. Second photo features different optics.

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TerraN_EmpirE

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Clearer screen captures of the new rifle. Second photo features different optics.

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Looks like they aren’t just standardizing rails but that optic.

now we see clearly a night vision possibility thermal vision scope
This gentleman is what it would have looked like for your comments
Is that a camera/buttons on that vertical grip that connects to the helmet?
Yes I think so.
this likely connects to the helmet in some
Fashion the vertical foregrip was way to small.


A clearer look at the DMR

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Simple mod long barrel guessing 18.9 inches with bipod and magnified scope. Looks like it has a clip on night vision system to.
 

Blitzo

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Simple mod long barrel guessing 18.9 inches with bipod and magnified scope. Looks like it has a clip on night vision system to.

Assuming the standard rifle variants (carbine and infantry) are free floated and the DMR is similar, it seems like having a longer barrel with the accessories you mentioned and the different handguard should offer a sensible DMR.

Question is whether it uses the same calibre or not.
 

SpicySichuan

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@Bltizo our beloved newest moderator, Original poster of this thread, who’s user name sounds like a laundry detergent... already posted something along those lines.

back on page #1.
Moving from a bullpup back to A conventional configuration means trading off the biggest advantage of the Bull. That long barrel in a short package. The Bullpup by modifying the trigger assembly though a long lever arm that moves the trigger in front of the magazine, and abbreviating the stock to a butt pad at the back of the receiver housing the bullpup buys a longer barrel at the cost of ergonomics. So a QBZ95 has a full length 18.9 inch barrel and is 29 inches long to get the same overall length from the QBZ03 you have to cut the barrel back to about 12.5 inches or fold the stock to the side.
These new rifles don’t seem to have a a folding stock they have an adjustable stock like the US M4. The M4 with a 14.5 inch barrel with the stock retracted is ~29 inches the same as the QBZ95. That length is fairly short overall but very handy for urban or long range foot marches. It’s short enough to easily dismount armored vehicles well long enough to still offer fairly good range.
My biggest question remains sacrificing lethality. For small-caliber bullets (5.56, 5.45, 5.8) to be lethal, there has to be a high-enough muzzle velocity for the bullet to fragment when hitting its target. My same concern also relates to the M4 at more than 100 yards.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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My biggest question remains sacrificing lethality. For small-caliber bullets (5.56, 5.45, 5.8) to be lethal, there has to be a high-enough muzzle velocity for the bullet to fragment when hitting its target. My same concern also relates to the M4 at more than 100 yards.
No.
Fragmenting of projectiles in military rifles is a HUGE no no that’s banned by The Hague Convention.
Lethality is the result primarily of hydrodynamic shock effects but even then it’s a bit limited. Mostly what kills is pulmonary shock. Blood loss.
The main concern in modern military small arms is either range or penetration.
 

taxiya

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My biggest question remains sacrificing lethality. For small-caliber bullets (5.56, 5.45, 5.8) to be lethal, there has to be a high-enough muzzle velocity for the bullet to fragment when hitting its target. My same concern also relates to the M4 at more than 100 yards.
QBU-88 uses dedicated heavy round with slower muzzle velocity but higher muzzle energy than standard round for QBZ-95.
The new DMR may use dedicated heavy round or the new all-purpose round which has muzzle energy higher than both the heavy round and standard rounds.
It is not the velocity along but the energy that count the lethality. Of course larger caliber is better, but DMR is not true sniper, it is meant to share ammunition with squad members, so sacrificing is a necessity.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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QBU-88 uses dedicated heavy round with slower muzzle velocity but higher muzzle energy than standard round for QBZ-95.
The new DMR may use dedicated heavy round or the new all-purpose round which has muzzle energy higher than both the heavy round and standard rounds.
It is not the velocity along but the energy that count the lethality. Of course larger caliber is better, but DMR is not true sniper, it is meant to share ammunition with squad members, so sacrificing is a necessity.
My understanding is that when they modified the QBZ95 design to the QBZ95 I they standardized the ammo with ammo from the QBU88. This is supposed to again alter the performance of the rounds.

That said in the DMR role it’s not unheard of to just take the service rifle make a few tweaks and issue that. Although it does have a few issues. For example longer barrel lengths aren’t actually more accurate. They generate more velocity but they have higher harmonics unless the barrel is a thicker more rigid profile.
In the west and east DMR rifles of the past and modern era have tended to be moving to of a larger caliber. The Dragonov, M110A1, M14, G28, L129A1, ARX200, Howa Type 64, PSL, HK417, G3, FAL, Mk20 SCAR, SR25 and Galiatz.
That’s said Many still use the long barreled assault rifle for the role. Sharing of ammo across the squad is less prevalent due to the specialized function. The DMR rifleman is intended to either increase the range of attack or accuracy of attack or both.
 
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