QBZ-191 service rifle family

lowtek226

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yes, see here 95 vs. 95-1
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The weibo post said


New rifle is fully compatible with 95-1 mag. It does not say it can not accept 95 mag. I think it is just like 95-1 which can use both 95 and 95-1 mag but using 95 mag will disable the function of 空仓挂机 (what is it in English?) because the 95 mag lacks a release button.


Unless I'm mistaken with my broken chinese comprehension, the 95-1 magazine allows for last-shot bolt hold open. This allows a user to quickly chamber a round by hitting the bolt release after inserting a fresh magazine. Using the 95 magazine probably means that the rifle's charging handle needs to be manipulated in order to chamber a round.
 

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Unless I'm mistaken, the 95-1 magazine has cut-outs that allows for last-shot bolt hold open. This allows a user to quickly chamber a round by hitting the bolt release after inserting a fresh magazine. Using the 95 magazine probably means that the rifle's charging handle needs to be manipulated in order to chamber a round.
I think you got the right idea.
 

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Some comments on the new rifle with these better pictures....

1: it seems like the handguard is a single piece handguard rather than a lower handguard+upper handguard/receiver like the ACR. We can see on the picture of the DMR variant that the entire forward handguard seems to be swapped out, and that receiver that interfaces with the handguard has a "round" cross section matching the handguard.

2: presence of 6 o'clock rail piece attachment point is confirmed with some of the most recent pictures.

3: the rear and forward back up iron sights seem to be "fixed" (but of course are flip up). I can't say I disagree with this design choice.

4: the telescoping stock seems like there are at least 5 positions based on one of the high res pictures of the stock, with three length positions exposed in that picture (thus including the most extended and fully shortened lengths as well, making five total)
 
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The ones shown in the parade have a barrel that is roughly two inches shorter.

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I think it's been pretty well established over the last few pages and the dozen or more pictures that there is an infantry/assault rifle variant and a carbine variant?

The post from me that you quoted literally has the infantry/assault rifle variant as the 2nd picture and the carbine variant as the third picture.
 

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Unless there are some kinds of new powder being developed for the 5.8mm round, I don't expect the new rifles to be very lethal since their short barrels would unlikely to generate the high muzzle velocity of the QBZ-95 and QBB-95.
 

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I think it's been pretty well established over the last few pages and the dozen or more pictures that there is an infantry/assault rifle variant and a carbine variant?

The post from me that you quoted literally has the infantry/assault rifle variant as the 2nd picture and the carbine variant as the third picture.
I mean only the carbine were displayed during the parade, but the pictures you have shown seem to include longer barrel service rifles.
 

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I mean only the carbine were displayed during the parade, but the pictures you have shown seem to include longer barrel service rifles.

Oh ok.

Well yes, the rifle comes in infantry/assault and carbine lengths that we definitely know of, and at the parade they displayed the carbine length.






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Unless there are some kinds of new powder being developed for the 5.8mm round, I don't expect the new rifles to be very lethal since their short barrels would unlikely to generate the high muzzle velocity of the QBZ-95 and QBB-95.

The estimated barrel lengths are about similar to the carbine and assault rifle lengths of other AR pattern rifles out there in the world.

I think it'll be plenty lethal.
 

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Unless there are some kinds of new powder being developed for the 5.8mm round, I don't expect the new rifles to be very lethal since their short barrels would unlikely to generate the high muzzle velocity of the QBZ-95 and QBB-95.
@Bltizo our beloved newest moderator, Original poster of this thread, who’s user name sounds like a laundry detergent... already posted something along those lines.

It's also been suggested that the new assault rifle will use a new variant of the 5.8mm bullet including having a new more powerful powder.

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Moving from a bullpup back to A conventional configuration means trading off the biggest advantage of the Bull. That long barrel in a short package. The Bullpup by modifying the trigger assembly though a long lever arm that moves the trigger in front of the magazine, and abbreviating the stock to a butt pad at the back of the receiver housing the bullpup buys a longer barrel at the cost of ergonomics. So a QBZ95 has a full length 18.9 inch barrel and is 29 inches long to get the same overall length from the QBZ03 you have to cut the barrel back to about 12.5 inches or fold the stock to the side.
These new rifles don’t seem to have a a folding stock they have an adjustable stock like the US M4. The M4 with a 14.5 inch barrel with the stock retracted is ~29 inches the same as the QBZ95. That length is fairly short overall but very handy for urban or long range foot marches. It’s short enough to easily dismount armored vehicles well long enough to still offer fairly good range.
 

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@Bltizo our beloved newest moderator, Original poster of this thread, who’s user name sounds like a laundry detergent... already posted something along those lines.

back on page #1.
Moving from a bullpup back to A conventional configuration means trading off the biggest advantage of the Bull. That long barrel in a short package. The Bullpup by modifying the trigger assembly though a long lever arm that moves the trigger in front of the magazine, and abbreviating the stock to a butt pad at the back of the receiver housing the bullpup buys a longer barrel at the cost of ergonomics. So a QBZ95 has a full length 18.9 inch barrel and is 29 inches long to get the same overall length from the QBZ03 you have to cut the barrel back to about 12.5 inches or fold the stock to the side.
These new rifles don’t seem to have a a folding stock they have an adjustable stock like the US M4. The M4 with a 14.5 inch barrel with the stock retracted is ~29 inches the same as the QBZ95. That length is fairly short overall but very handy for urban or long range foot marches. It’s short enough to easily dismount armored vehicles well long enough to still offer fairly good range.

Looking at the new rifle, it looks like the barrel length should be about 10 inches and 14 inches for the carbine and the infantry/assault rifle variants, which would correspond reasonably well with the M4 and CQBR in the US and with similar assault rifles and short variants in other nations.

I wonder if it might have been worth going to a 16 inch barrel as the standard assault rifle variant instead, but it seems like they might be going with the ~14 inch barrel instead. That said it's early days and as Josh kindly pointed out, so far the parade has only shown the short version so far.

We have yet to see what length the mainstay assault rifle variant in use by infantry will be.
 
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