PRC President Hu Jintao visits the USA

solarz

Brigadier
The CCTV Chinese New Year gala used to be the most popular show and everyone would watch it. Nowadays, many people watch galas on other Channels, simply because there is too many propaganda stuff during the CCTV show and everyone just thinks it's kind of like a bunch of clowns singing non-sense up there.

I don't think so. The CCTV Chinese New Year gala is still the most watched show in China, or maybe even the world. Only teenagers watch the galas on other channels.

Seriously, that show is not just a show, it's a tradition!
 

nameless

Junior Member
It seems that officials in the Chinese govn't are from another planet and still lives on that planet, not Earth. Why? It seems that no one in China even believes the propaganda crap that the Chinese govn't is churning out. Yet, they still make the kind of skin-crawling, goose-bump-producing speeches...

The CCTV Chinese New Year gala used to be the most popular show and everyone would watch it. Nowadays, many people watch galas on other Channels, simply because there is too many propaganda stuff during the CCTV show and everyone just thinks it's kind of like a bunch of clowns singing non-sense up there.

These officials are seriously out of touch with reality. To me, it sounds like they still live in the 60's and 70's.... they still make the same kind of propaganda even though no one, not even themselves, believe in that sht...

Have you actually seen the ad?
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
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Personally I've never ever seen the ad on Tv here in Iowa USA. Never. By the way most Americans could not find China on a map if you spotted them the Pacific Ocean, Mongolia, Russia and Korea...

What US understands is American exceptionalism , you presuming that what US likes is in the interest of the rest of the world, which is not the case.

My guess is that as a citizen of the US is that most Americans only care about what is going on in the USA. And more specifically what is going on in there home town. And the only thing most Americans know about China is that the US owes them tons of money.
 

vesicles

Colonel
Have you actually seen the ad?

I'm not specifically talking about the Ads, but more broadly how the Chinese govn't is trying to convince people its values, etc. The fact is no one in China, let alone other nations, believe these propaganda.
 

nameless

Junior Member
I'm not specifically talking about the Ads, but more broadly how the Chinese govn't is trying to convince people its values, etc. The fact is no one in China, let alone other nations, believe these propaganda.

We are discussing about this particular ad, if you think its somehow fake and unbelievable, please enlighten me. Otherwise it just shows your prejudice.
 

Mr T

Senior Member
Mr.T
Who cares? Nobody, except the CCP's PR department, expects any positive outcomes by these ads

Then what was the point of them? To assert China's new found confidence in American's faces and say "you'd better like us 'cos we're so great"? :confused:

and please doesn't assume too much about Chinese people's reaction because you don't know

What are you talking about?

The US buy a lot of Chinese goods not out of good will, but because Chinese goods are more competitive. Raising the Yuan means raising the prices of Chinese imports, which pretty much results in massive inflation for the US. It's sad that the average American simply doesn't realize this.

The problem for the US is the trade balance. A rising yuan means Chinese goods aren't artificially cheap and US goods can compete more. But it's also good for China as it means its money is worth more overseas.

I also like the irony of your last statement. Yes, the US Treasury investment is safe.... provided the US doesn't devalue its currency.

Since when was the US the only country in the world that can devalue its currency? Good luck with avoiding buying any foreign bonds.

What US understands is American exceptionalism , you presuming that what US likes is in the interest of the rest of the world, which is not the case.

Did you actually read the criticisms? Where did I or the critics mention "the interest of the rest of the world"??

The main problem with the ad is that it doesn't explain to anyone why China is good for the US. At best it shows that China is great. Well that's all very nice, but why will that make an American's view of China improve? They aren't sceptical of China because they think it's worthless, they're sceptical because they think China is a competitor whose activities only benefit itself.

At worst, it just shows people that Chinese people exist. Americans already knew that.

Its also interesting that you claim to represent both all Americans and Europeans by posting some links that are critical of the ads

That's not a logical conclusion to make.
 
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bd popeye

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Now for some photos of PRC President Hu Hintao visit...

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US
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as he speaks during a State Arrival ceremony on the South Lawn of the
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in Washington, DC, January 19, 2011.

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US President Barack Obama (R) Chinese President Hu Jintao (C) and First Lady Michelle Obama arrive for the State Dinner at the White House in Washington, DC, on January 19, 2011. Obama and Hu sparred over human rights but smoothed over sharp differences by making an economic and strategic case for working together. On a long-awaited state visit, Hu made the unusual comment for a Chinese leader that 'a lot' remained to be done on freedoms in China, but pointedly did not share Obama's view that basic human rights were 'universal.'

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Chinese President Hu Jintao stands alongside former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger after being introduced prior to speaking during a luncheon for corporate and policy leaders co-hosted by the US-China Business Council and the National Committee on US-China Relations at the Marriott Wardman Park in Washington, DC, January 20, 2011

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WASHINGTON, DC - JANUARY 19: Edwin M. Lee (L), Mayor of
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, and Jean Quan (C), Mayor of Oakland, California, arrive at the
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for a state dinner 19, 2011 in Washington, DC. U.S.
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and
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are hosting resident
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for a state dinner during his visit to the United States.

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Chinese President
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(L) shakes hands with
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Majority Leader
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(D-NV) before their meeting on January 20, 2011 on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC. Chinese President Hu Jintao met Thursday with
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leaders who have condemned
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's rights record, economic policy, and role in nuclear standoffs with Iran and North Korea.

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The front pages of some of the nations newspapers seen in Beijing show photos of Chinese President Hu Jintao and US President Barack Obama during Hu's ongoing state visit to the US on January 20, 2011.

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The Blue Room table settings for the State Dinner in honor of Chinese President Hu Jintao on January 19, 2011 at the white House in Washington, DC.

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WASHINGTON, DC - JANUARY 19: U.S. President Barack Obama (R) greets guests with Chinese President Hu Jintao during a State arrival ceremony on the South Lawn of the White House January 19, 2011 in Washington, DC. Obama and Hu are scheduled to meet in the Oval Office later in the day, hold a joint press conference and attend a State dinner.

Hu said Wednesday he could see 'new progress' in his country's ties to the United States as he was welcomed to the White House by US leader Barack Obama.'Since President Obama took office with concerted efforts of the two sides, our cooperation in various fields has produced fruitful results and our relations have achieved new progress,' Hu said.
 

nameless

Junior Member
Did you actually read the criticisms? Where did I or the critics mention "the interest of the rest of the world"??

The main problem with the ad is that it doesn't explain to anyone why China is good for the US. At best it shows that China is great. Well that's all very nice, but why will that make an American's view of China improve? They aren't sceptical of China because they think it's worthless, they're sceptical because they think China is a competitor whose activities only benefit itself.


At worst, it just shows people that Chinese people exist. Americans already knew that.

This is what you said

Until China figures out how to talk to other major countries like the US in ways they understand/like, it's not going to get very far.
Nobody is obligated to cater to American interests for free. The purpose here is one of equality not exceptionalism, Most Americans need to understand that they live in a multipolar world and that its ok for there to be Chinese people who can also be as rich or successful as them.


That's not a logical conclusion to make.

But it is, your own words.

But to Americans (or Europeans) it just smacks of cheesy propaganda.
 
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ToxSic

New Member
I saw the ad by the youtube link and other than the fact there was a square on the side blocking out almost some part part of many texts in the ad, it wasnt really that bad of an ad (i just cant hear any sound or music in it- not sure if it had any to begin with - i think probably though). Whether it will have the intended effect (public opinion change) is a whole-nother story.

I do agree with some other articles and suggestions elsewhere that had the ad promoted (something like) tourism - including quick glances of places, foods, and people of the target key locations with website of promoter at the end - that would have fit much better (especially for TS-NY, or at least I am one to think so) and probably gain more attention AND effect (money) than just trying to change public relation opinion.

Meanwhile, Hu is to speak (and get questioned?) in the US House or something soon?
 

solarz

Brigadier
Then what was the point of them? To assert China's new found confidence in American's faces and say "you'd better like us 'cos we're so great"? :confused:

Maybe you missed what I wrote previously, so here it is again:

The ad does what it's supposed to do. It's not supposed to make Americans "feel better" about China. No 60-seconds spot is going to undo what years of anti-China rhetoric and decades of Cold War mentality have hammered into place.

No, the purpose of the ad is to simply put human faces on China. So many Americans think of the Chinese as some borg-like collective, that it's worthwhile to remind them that the Chinese are people just like themselves.



The problem for the US is the trade balance. A rising yuan means Chinese goods aren't artificially cheap and US goods can compete more. But it's also good for China as it means its money is worth more overseas.

Since when was the US the only country in the world that can devalue its currency? Good luck with avoiding buying any foreign bonds.

Did you ignore my comment on US inflation on purpose? I have addressed the dangers of US devaluing their currency already.

The problem with the US is that it is not acting rationally right now. Instead, it is driven by political partisanship and a desperation for a simple, quick-fix solution. A free market needs to presume RATIONAL ACTORS in order to be beneficial to both parties.

This problem is compounded by the fact that political discourse in the US has been reduced to sound bites and buzz words.
 
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