PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

[Gallaghan36]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I have a question. Can SSKs be equipped with a minimum of 12 small-size short range stealth LACMs(range 400-500kms.) If it can, would China do so in the future?

 

[rhino123]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I have a question. Can SSKs be equipped with a minimum of 12 small-size short range stealth LACMs(range 400-500kms.) If it can, would China do so in the future?

And why would China do that?

 

[duskylim]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I am venturing a guess and saying that the Yuan (the old model one) is now ready for mass production, and that the Song class will now end it's production.

If I am right then we should see a lot more Yuan's building in the shipyards soon.

I hope they will build more than the 14 of the Song class (correct me if I'm wrong) this time.

This new submarine is the follow-on to the Yuan, (someone should come up with a new name - which dynasty - Ching?).

They will probably take it out, release a few pics and press statements and then there will be the usual dearth of info.

Then suddenly another new one will surface and the whole process begins again - its predictable by now.

The production of 3 new classes of SSK's and the procurement of a large number of Kilos within a 15 year period shows that within the PLAN the submarine forces enjoy the highest priority.

 

[plawolf]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Such a radical redesign would mean that this is either more akin to a technology testbed/demonstrator or that the performance of the Yuan has been disappointing.

We will need to wait for more information or course, but the lack of visible torpedo tubes on the new sub, could indicate that it is not a production unit, whereas the lack of new built Yuan sightings could indicate PLAN dissatisfaction with the design.

As for the subs getting the highest priority, well that really remains to be seen.

094 SSBNs are a totally unique asset, and does not fall into normal navy jurisdiction, and the same can be said about their 093 escorts up to an extent.

Apart from the large nuclear sub boom, PLAN SSK production has been pretty slow in comparison to the heady years in the past.

OTOH, 054A production has hardly been slow, and there are strong indications that a new batch of destroyers are being constructed. The Varyag is having serious work done to it, with the naval J15 having undergone first flight and rumors of additional indigenous carriers soon to be built...

Hardly seems like the subs are winning the budget fight against the surface ships.

 

[no_name]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

This new submarine is the follow-on to the Yuan, (someone should come up with a new name - which dynasty - Ching?).

Chronologically it will be Song, Yuan, Ming, Ching but I don't know if they follow the naming system like that. Or rather I heard that those were western designations not chinese ones.

Xia, Shang, Zhou, Qin, Han, (three kingdoms), Jin, (random periods), Sui, Tang, (random periods), Song, Yuan, Ming, Ching

 

[EDIATH]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Such a radical redesign would mean that this is either more akin to a technology testbed/demonstrator or that the performance of the Yuan has been disappointing.

We will need to wait for more information or course, but the lack of visible torpedo tubes on the new sub, could indicate that it is not a production unit, whereas the lack of new built Yuan sightings could indicate PLAN dissatisfaction with the design.

As for the subs getting the highest priority, well that really remains to be seen.

094 SSBNs are a totally unique asset, and does not fall into normal navy jurisdiction, and the same can be said about their 093 escorts up to an extent.

Apart from the large nuclear sub boom, PLAN SSK production has been pretty slow in comparison to the heady years in the past.

OTOH, 054A production has hardly been slow, and there are strong indications that a new batch of destroyers are being constructed. The Varyag is having serious work done to it, with the naval J15 having undergone first flight and rumors of additional indigenous carriers soon to be built...

Hardly seems like the subs are winning the budget fight against the surface ships.

A testbed is unlikely to be "heavily" decorated as such. Guess we have to wait for a while until new photos come out to verify the details on the current ones, which might be PSed more or less.

As we know PLAN is playing catching-up in all aspects, they tend to build a small number of ships from one class then move on to an upgraded or new version. 5 "Yuan" SSKs have been built during the past five years if I remember correctly, which is not that slow considering they were all from the same shipyard (054A is being built by two shipyards simutaneously as the demand is more urgent from the "neglected" surface fleet). Unlike the unsatisfactory one-and-only Boat 320, "Yuan" made it to boat no.5 before PLAN required a match for the new market entrants like Soryu Class or Type 214.

Five years is also long enough for them to make various tech. breakthrough so as to come up with a new design, and there are indeed some of the potential tech. breakthrough that may alter the hull's look dramatically, such as the improved teardrop design we have witnessed on "Yuan" from "Song". In this case, the most notable departure from "Yuan" is the enlarged sail, which could be due to the introduction of a new AIP system or an escape capsule or vertically launched armarments and so on.

Therefore I consider the new sub. a "natural" continuation of Type 039 family at the time being, neither a unique class nor a uttely different one.

 

[AssassinsMace]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Anybody have access to the full article from Janes?

Mystery Chinese SSK fuels Asia's submarine race



By Ted Parsons
20 September 2010

The China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation has launched an unidentified new-type conventional submarine (SSK) at its Wuhan shipyard, according to Chinese reports.

It is the third new SSK design revealed by China since 1994 and is likely to exacerbate regional anxieties that are propelling many Asian states to increase or establish submarine fleets.

Vague or altered internet images of this new SSK, which first appeared on the popular Chinese CALF web page on 10 September, led observers to think that it may be yet another Chinese internet hoax, but the submarine's existence was confirmed by much clearer images on 13 September.

While not much larger than the 3,000- to 4,000-ton Type 041 Yuan class, the new boat appears to incorporate Russian design influences, including a stouter hull with a reduced aft taper similar to the Project 667 Lada/Amur class, plus an elongated sail and hull-mounted retractable hydroplanes similar to the Project 636 Kilo class. However, in contrast to the sail of the Kilo, the new Chinese SSK incorporates hydrodynamic elements such as an intricately-faired leading edge with concave and convex curves.

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Copyright © IHS (Global) Limited, 2010

 

[Orthan]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Anybody have access to the full article from Janes?

In this case, what is the difference? they dont appear to know more than we do, according to this excerpt.

They made a mistake. Its type 039, not type 041

 

[AssassinsMace]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Because I would like to know. Usually in a teaser they don't give the best stuff. Also for me it doesn't matter only what information they give is also how they present it. Also I'd like to see if they interviewed any expert opinions to which we've seen nothing of the sort.

 

[ZTZ99]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

In this case, what is the difference? they dont appear to know more than we do, according to this excerpt.

They made a mistake. Its type 039, not type 041

Some people refer to Yuan as Type 041, which IMO actually makes much more sense than calling it 039A, or calling this new sub a 039B.