PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

[pla101prc]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I don't know what kind of proof you need. I have a link in this thread that states the project for the reactor of 095 needs to be finished in this 5 year plan (2006-2010). There are definitely a lot of noise from posters (some fairly credible) that 095 project has started and the first will be launched this decade. 093 production run has already reached 6 units.

proof? dude 095 would be highly classified information at this stage, obvious ppl would be asking for proof when you talk about it like this lol

 

[crobato]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

6 units? Are they complete or in production? I thought they were only going to build 2.

093's are all over Google Earth.

 

[tphuang]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

proof? dude 095 would be highly classified information at this stage, obvious ppl would be asking for proof when you talk about it like this lol

The company that did the work for it had it on their website for a short time, then people caught on to it, so it got shut down. It's in the original submarine thread, you can look for the links, I found them in 2006 when the 11th 5 year plan just started. If you want me to show you an official press release with the project name and its launch date or a video of the sub, I don't have that.

 

[Roger604]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

So does Type 095 have natural circulation? pump jet?

 

[tphuang]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

So does Type 095 have natural circulation? pump jet?

There is absolutely no way we can know this. You can ask me 5 years from now and I doubt I would know. We don't even know what kind of propeller 093 has.

 

[williamhou]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

That means both the new SSN and SSBN revealed in 2007 / 2008 were actually Type 091G and Type 092G.

This explains why we saw at least two distinct SSN's in 2007 / 2008 -- remember the mysterious thinner, longer SSN?

If the Type 091G and Type 092G were both officially unveiled in 2007 / 2008, this suggests that the real Type 093 and Type 094 were already in sea trials at that time.

This also suggests to me that although the Type 091G and Type 092G may only be as advanced as the early LA-class / Thresher, the real Type 093 and 094 should be much bigger and be at least as quiet as the later LA-class. Maybe it even has natural circulation like the Ohio or a pumpjet like Seawolf.

If the real Type 093 was in sea trials during 2007, it could be ready to enter service right around now.

I doubt any current sub China made so far would be as quiet as LA-class. They probably do not have the relevant technology. Engine has always been a weakness of China's industry, regardless civil or military, and they still have a lot of problems with engines...

 

[Finn McCool]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

how many mobile DF31a can you build with the cost of one 094??

Thats not the point. China wants to have the nuclear "triad"-land, sea, air launched nuclear platforms. The 094, and SSBNs in general, are the most important part of the triad, because they provide unprecedented first and second strike capability.

The 094 is the ultimate insurance, because if someone nukes China, even if only one 094 survives (which is likely because it is quiet and can simply find a "hole in the ocean" and hide) that single sub still holds enough firepower to kill the majority of the enemy's population.

An 094 is also an excellent first strike asset, because it has the ability to pop up of the enemy's coast, drastically cutting the flight times of its missles to their targets, giving the enemy less time to react and retaliate.

A DF-31A can serve as a good second strike asset because it is road mobile, but an SSBN can hide like nothing else on the planet. Furthermore a DF-31A isn't very useful in first strikes role.

 

[crobato]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I doubt any current sub China made so far would be as quiet as LA-class. They probably do not have the relevant technology. Engine has always been a weakness of China's industry, regardless civil or military, and they still have a lot of problems with engines...

I don't see your point here. Engines have been licensed, and nuclear subs use steam turbines which China has no issues. The nuclear reactor technology is more of an issue two decades ago but that does not look like its an issue now. The quieting technologies related to the LA class is not about engines, its rafting the engines and reduction gears with sound absorbers, reducing the number of pumps used, using skewed or skewed back seven bladed propellers that revolve much more slowly and producing far less cavitation noises, using mechanisms to close the limber holes and improve the flow of water around the sub. With SSKs, they're even more quiet since engines don't run underwater and electric motors are truly quiet.

 

[pla101prc]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Thats not the point. China wants to have the nuclear "triad"-land, sea, air launched nuclear platforms. The 094, and SSBNs in general, are the most important part of the triad, because they provide unprecedented first and second strike capability.

The 094 is the ultimate insurance, because if someone nukes China, even if only one 094 survives (which is likely because it is quiet and can simply find a "hole in the ocean" and hide) that single sub still holds enough firepower to kill the majority of the enemy's population.

An 094 is also an excellent first strike asset, because it has the ability to pop up of the enemy's coast, drastically cutting the flight times of its missles to their targets, giving the enemy less time to react and retaliate.

A DF-31A can serve as a good second strike asset because it is road mobile, but an SSBN can hide like nothing else on the planet. Furthermore a DF-31A isn't very useful in first strikes role.

i agree there, if PLA has 3 094 then they can have one in maintenance, one on the ready, and one patrolling out in the ocean. so even if you destroy the two subs on dock, you are still letting through 12 JL-2's...that's 12 of your major cities or area 51 like military complex about to be demolished...and in practical terms, if two countries are approaching a nuclear war i say at least two 094's will be patrolling, which doubles the pain and risk.

 

[bladerunner]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

i agree there, if PLA has 3 094 then they can have one in maintenance, one on the ready, and one patrolling out in the ocean. so even if you destroy the two subs on dock, you are still letting through 12 JL-2's...that's 12 of your major cities or area 51 like military complex about to be demolished...and in practical terms, if two countries are approaching a nuclear war i say at least two 094's will be patrolling, which doubles the pain and risk.

I don't know whether its idle boasting by individuals or there is a degree of truth in the claim, from opposing forums that Chinese subs being very noisy, are extremely vulnerable to being sunk with ease as they leave port, therefore the 094's may not get anywhere near their intended destination.