PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread
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They probably have about two or three now. I believe they won't have any more than 6 without building a new base. In my opinion, they may put 3 on the NSF base, 3 on the SSF base. For a set of three, one ship on patrol, one in maintenance, and one in standby or in transit. Xia is not counted on this and probably used more as a training sub for the 094 or as a converted SSN.
They probably have about two or three now. I believe they won't have any more than 6 without building a new base. In my opinion, they may put 3 on the NSF base, 3 on the SSF base. For a set of three, one ship on patrol, one in maintenance, and one in standby or in transit. Xia is not counted on this and probably used more as a training sub for the 094 or as a converted SSN.
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Not which sub these pics show but displays it bursting up through the water like the famous LA show.... I think they're Chinese, has "CCTV 9" there. Could be showing a replay of the LA class bursting up but I'm not sure.
Anyone?
Not sure why link is so weird.
Not which sub these pics show but displays it bursting up through the water like the famous LA show.... I think they're Chinese, has "CCTV 9" there. Could be showing a replay of the LA class bursting up but I'm not sure.
Anyone?
Not sure why link is so weird.
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So I have heard here and there that the PLAN has sub bases inside of sea caves on Hainan. Is this true, or should I say is there any good evidence to support this?
So I have heard here and there that the PLAN has sub bases inside of sea caves on Hainan. Is this true, or should I say is there any good evidence to support this?
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Plenty. A lot of the pictures you see on this thread are in Hainan. There is a large sub cave entrance there that you can see in GE. I won't say, that a base resides inside a cave, but a few docks for sure. The real base is what is around the cave and around the bay. It looks much more like a resort than something from a James Bond movie.
Plenty. A lot of the pictures you see on this thread are in Hainan. There is a large sub cave entrance there that you can see in GE. I won't say, that a base resides inside a cave, but a few docks for sure. The real base is what is around the cave and around the bay. It looks much more like a resort than something from a James Bond movie.
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Well I suppose the actual base facility doesn't have to be underground as long as you can dock the sub in the cave; that should be sufficient to protect the sub itself from missle strikes etc.
Well I suppose the actual base facility doesn't have to be underground as long as you can dock the sub in the cave; that should be sufficient to protect the sub itself from missle strikes etc.
Galrahn
New Member
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Bigger allows for better sound reduction. Speed is life underwater. The LA class was an important step over Sturgeon/Thresher.
Size matters for a lot of technical reasons, bigger is better for reasons beyond power and payload. Size allows a submarine to do a number of things acoustically to reduce signature.
Without getting into details, have you ever compared the Soryu class or Collins class to the 212s? The smaller size of the 212 makes the sub more affordable for exports, but at costs beyond payload and power.
Bigger allows for better sound reduction. Speed is life underwater. The LA class was an important step over Sturgeon/Thresher.
Size matters for a lot of technical reasons, bigger is better for reasons beyond power and payload. Size allows a submarine to do a number of things acoustically to reduce signature.
Without getting into details, have you ever compared the Soryu class or Collins class to the 212s? The smaller size of the 212 makes the sub more affordable for exports, but at costs beyond payload and power.
FriedRiceNSpice
Captain
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Well, in overall capability, particularly speed the LA class was a huge step forward for the USN's SSN force. However, the Sturgeon/Thresher class were noted for being the first subs in the USN to field a variety of sound-reduction features previously unseen in American SSNs. Of course, the LA class still offered an improvement in the area of acoustic signature reduction, but was not noted for any revolutionary sound reduction features.
In the context of this discussion, I was merely saying that despite the fact that the Sturgeon and Thresher may be old subs, comparing the 093 to those classes in terms of acoustic signature reduction features is not underselling the Chinese SSNS at all.
Well, in overall capability, particularly speed the LA class was a huge step forward for the USN's SSN force. However, the Sturgeon/Thresher class were noted for being the first subs in the USN to field a variety of sound-reduction features previously unseen in American SSNs. Of course, the LA class still offered an improvement in the area of acoustic signature reduction, but was not noted for any revolutionary sound reduction features.
In the context of this discussion, I was merely saying that despite the fact that the Sturgeon and Thresher may be old subs, comparing the 093 to those classes in terms of acoustic signature reduction features is not underselling the Chinese SSNS at all.
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I don't know if it's old news already, but take a look at these screen shots of a CCTV7 program recently:
The submarine is shooting something VERY LARGE up, and it doesn't look anything like JL-1. Could this be the rumored JL-2 test launch? But I see rafts with ppl on them floating fairly close to that thing being launched, isn't that kind of dangerous if that's indeed a ballistic missile launch? Or could it be a very large sub launched missile, or just a "floatie"?
Here's the origional thread where I found the pics:
I don't know if it's old news already, but take a look at these screen shots of a CCTV7 program recently:
The submarine is shooting something VERY LARGE up, and it doesn't look anything like JL-1. Could this be the rumored JL-2 test launch? But I see rafts with ppl on them floating fairly close to that thing being launched, isn't that kind of dangerous if that's indeed a ballistic missile launch? Or could it be a very large sub launched missile, or just a "floatie"?
Here's the origional thread where I found the pics:
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