PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

[antiterror13]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

True but Israel does have second strike because their German built SSK can launch nuclear missiles

That's why I hope Pakistan can have second strike with SSK a nuclear tipped Babur Cruise missile would do nicely

I don't believe those countries (Pakistan, India, NK and Israel) have the technology to miniaturize the nukes small enough to fit into the missile .. , those countries (including India, I know they claim they have, but no solid proof yet) don't have the technology to produce H-bomb, let alone to miniaturize them. Miniaturizing thermonuclear warhead (like W87 or W88 ) is super super difficult, only 4 countries able to do that (USA, Russia, France and China), not even the UK is able to do that

Even China is only able to miniaturize the nukes small enough to fit into solid fueled missile (e.g DF-31) in 1990s ... before then the nukes were so big and heavy and China had to use heavy big liquid fueled missiles to carry big thermonuclear warhead (e.g DF-3, DF-4, DF-5)

 

[broadsword]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I don't believe those countries (Pakistan, India, NK and Israel) have the technology to miniaturize the nukes small enough to fit into the missile .. , those countries (including India, I know they claim they have, but no solid proof yet) don't have the technology to produce H-bomb, let alone to miniaturize them. Miniaturizing thermonuclear warhead (like W87 or W88 ) is super super difficult, only 4 countries able to do that (USA, Russia, France and China), not even the UK is able to do that

Even China is only able to miniaturize the nukes small enough to fit into solid fueled missile (e.g DF-31) in 1990s ... before then the nukes were so big and heavy and China had to use heavy big liquid fueled missiles to carry big thermonuclear warhead (e.g DF-3, DF-4, DF-5)

I don't doubt those countries' ability, not in the smartphone era. Technology has come a long way since the 90s. Unless you are talking about packing a nuclear bomb into the size of a grenade.

 

[antiterror13]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I don't doubt those countries' ability, not in the smartphone era. Technology has come a long way since the 90s. Unless you are talking about packing a nuclear bomb into the size of a grenade.

Applying your logic (not necessarily I agree), everybody would be able to design and build a rocket like Apollo to reach the Moon? ... it was 1960s technology and the computer used at that time probably less powerful than your smartphone?

 

[broadsword]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Applying your logic (not necessarily I agree), everybody would be able to design and build a rocket like Apollo to reach the Moon? ... it was 1960s technology and the computer used at that time probably less powerful than your smartphone?

So you think those countries' (Pakistan, India, NK and Israel) nuclear capable missiles have no such capability at all?

 

[Solaris]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I know India thinks it has an SSBN capability.

 

[danielchin]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

"We think therefore we are."

 

[Jeff Head]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I know India thinks it has an SSBN capability.

Well, I would say that India is developing a capability.

They have launched one Arihant vessel, which is in sea trials. It is very weak as SSBNs go when compared to other nations. It can carry twelve K15 SLBMs but they only have a maximum range of 1,000 miles. When they get the K4 developed, which will have a range of 1,900 miles, the vessel will only be able to carry four of them.

The Indians are building two more right now, and plan a total of six of those subs

By comparison, Russian and US and France and UK SSBNs carry 12-24 missiles with multiple warheads that have a 6,000-8,000 mile range.

Just the same, what India is developing, particularly once they have several boats, is far better than having no nuclear deterrent capability on submarines at sea.

Now, getting back on topic...the Chinese have a very decent SSBN capability now, and it is growing.

The Chinese currently have 3 or 4 of the Type 094 Jin class which can each carry twelve JL-2 missiles which have a 7,500+ mile range. They are building two more and will ultimately have six of these boats it is thought. The Type 094 sub first test fired this missile in 2012 as I understand it. The PLAN is also developing the Type 096 Tang class (it is thought one may have already been launched, but we do not know), which may carry as many as 24 newer SLBM's.

 

[broadsword]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I know India thinks it has an SSBN capability.

SSBN capability is a different ball game from "the technology to miniaturize the nukes small enough to fit into the missile", which was what antiterror was saying that those countries not having.

 

[antiterror13]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

So you think those countries' (Pakistan, India, NK and Israel) nuclear capable missiles have no such capability at all?

No, I don't believe they have. None of those countries above has successfully developed a thermonuclear warhead. All of those countries (including India) have developed nuke (perhaps ~30 KT) but not a thermonuclear warhead. Also they haven't got the capability to miniaturize the warhead ... small enough to fit into the solid fueled missiles to have a meaningful range.

They may have a capability to fit it into big slow liquid fueled missile ... but this one is much easier to be destroyed

 

[asif iqbal]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I don't believe those countries (Pakistan, India, NK and Israel) have the technology to miniaturize the nukes small enough to fit into the missile .. , those countries (including India, I know they claim they have, but no solid proof yet) don't have the technology to produce H-bomb, let alone to miniaturize them. Miniaturizing thermonuclear warhead (like W87 or W88 ) is super super difficult, only 4 countries able to do that (USA, Russia, France and China), not even the UK is able to do that

Even China is only able to miniaturize the nukes small enough to fit into solid fueled missile (e.g DF-31) in 1990s ... before then the nukes were so big and heavy and China had to use heavy big liquid fueled missiles to carry big thermonuclear warhead (e.g DF-3, DF-4, DF-5)

It's known that Israeli Popeye cruise missile is nuclear capable from Dolphin Class SSK

Pakistan has a huge nuclear arsenal capable of launch from ballistic missiles and Babur Cruise missile is nuclear capable which has a diameter that can fit into the SSK missile tubes so why can't we have nuclear launched missiles from SSK?

Also Ra'ad LACM is also nuclear capable what's stopping the Navy from having a nuclear capable cruise missile when Air Force and Army have it, it's not even a issue all we end to do is the integration