PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

[escobar]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

You do understand training and actual operation are totally different things right? Of course during training, you don't use real nuke or you will have nuke explosions all over the place when your 2nd Artillery started test firing of the missiles.

training is not limited only to firing missile...

However, for the SSBN that are going to patrol, of course they would require real nuke, it act as much as a second strike platform but also as a deterrence for opposing forces, to tell them that, "I can still nuke you, if you dare to do something silly."

No one would really be that concern if Chinese SSBN is carrying only high explosive long range missiles, right?

No one is really be that concern, because 2arty has never mated warheads to their missiles.

For what i've understood about china minimum deterrence doctrine, the day they mate warheads to missiles they consider that their deterrence has failed. They would prefer lose their nuke than use them. Back in 1969 when the soviets were preparing nuclear strike across to Lop Nor, Lin Biao gave the order to mate warheads to missiles and to fuel them for launch but that order was never obeyed.

So unless the policy has changed I think there is not in china a single ICBM or SLBM mated with nuclear warhead.

 

[kwaigonegin]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

You do understand training and actual operation are totally different things right? Of course during training, you don't use real nuke or you will have nuke explosions all over the place when your 2nd Artillery started test firing of the missiles.

However, for the SSBN that are going to patrol, of course they would require real nuke, it act as much as a second strike platform but also as a deterrence for opposing forces, to tell them that, "I can still nuke you, if you dare to do something silly."

No one would really be that concern if Chinese SSBN is carrying only high explosive long range missiles, right?

I think you're missing the entire point of the discussion.. people/article is implying that even on patrols Chinese SSBNs do not carry live nukes thereby discounting your 2nd paragraph... and that's why we're even having this discussion to begin with.

Regardless of whether it's true or not the fact that it was even brought up either by rumor or published articles is concerning because I thought SSBNs carrying nukes is a forgone conclusion so when someone or some articles says otherwise it's concerning.

 

[kwaigonegin]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

So unless the policy has changed there is not in china a single ICBM or SLBM mated with nuclear warhead.

Is that a fact or assumption? because unless they can mate a warhead to the launch vehicle in 10 minutes or less (which is not possible) China's nuclear deterent would essentially be useless.

 

[chuck731]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

If they do in fact carry out "deterence" patrols without nuclear warheads onboard, I can garranty they would never let you and anyone you have access to know about it.

So if you think you know it, chances are you knew it from someone who made it up.

 

[asif iqbal]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

training is not limited only to firing missile...



No one is really be that concern, because 2arty has never mated warheads to their missiles.

For what i've understood about china minimum deterrence doctrine, the day they mate warheads to missiles they consider that their deterrence has failed. They would prefer lose their nuke than use them. Back in 1969 when the soviets were preparing nuclear strike across to Lop Nor, Lin Biao gave the order to mate warheads to missiles and to fuel them for launch but that order was never obeyed.

So unless the policy has changed there is not in china a single ICBM or SLBM mated with nuclear warhead.

there is no way a Type 094 or Type 096 SSBN will be sailing the seas doing deterrant patrols without active nuclear warheads, no SSBN goes to sea on a derrterant patrol without its missiles and warheads, its the whole reason a SSBN is built, second strike and only second strike

however if they are not doing deterrant patrols then under these circumstances we dont know if they are carrying active nuclear warheads

SSBN has one job, to provide nuclear strike over enemy, anytime, anywhere on anyone, if your enemy knows this it should be enough to deter them from attacking you in which lies the whole reason for SSBN

 

[danielchin]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

six 039 were seen at a submarine base in East sea:

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[tphuang]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Guys, let's get off this nuke topic and back to submarines.

 

[chuck731]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Okay, Thanks.

 

[T-U-P]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

chuck731 you have been warned. When a moderator say not to go off topic, you stop going off topic! Regardless of what the member prior has posted.

To everyone else: This is a submarine thread, no more extensive discussions about nukes and MADs outside of the context of submarines!

 

[Jeff Head]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

six 039 were seen at a submarine base in East sea:

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Another GREAT pic!

It really shows the progress the PLAN is making when six Yuan Class SSKs are all lined up together like that.​