PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

[SinoSoldier]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

The only thing about the 032 that relates to the 095 is its missile tube. Anything else they might test like general hull shaping, other internal quieting technologies and AIP would be either dual use or SSK specific. You simply don't need such a massive sub if all you are doing is testing the missile tubes, just look at the old gulf class. OTOH, if you are spending all that money on a dedicated test sub, it would make a lot of sense to build it to test as much technologies as you can to get the most out of that investment, this is especially true since they designed this sub from scratch rather than converted it from an existing design.

VLS for cruise and anti ship missiles can be put in the SLBM VLS if the missile tubes are modular, and doing it that way would also provide valuable test data for the feasibility of developing modular missile tubes for future upgrades to the 095 and an SSGN variant of the Type 95 if the PLAN so chooses.

Actually, the new SLBM and the cruise missile tubes (whether it's a different VLS or integrated) certainly points to SSN and boomers as the potential candidate for many if not most of the tested technologies. This certainly makes sense as well considering that the brass has no other viable choice.

There's no doubt that some of the systems can and probably will be used on SSKs, but from the nature of its upgrades it seems that it is akin to the Experimental ship 892 for the Chinese underwater fleet, the 095 being the "052D".

As for special forces compartments and UUVs, well I just don't think the PLA has the same like of global sneak deployment requirements as the US for special forces. At a push, a clamped on DSRV or just shoving SpecOps out of torpedoe tubes would server, so the option of underwater stealth deployment is always available, but the chances that China would actually use such a capability is so remote that I hardly see the need for such specialised adaptations that do not add anything to the normal options of subs.

You missed the point. Nobody is arguing for or against the viability of special forces compartments, but note that the Qing is already sporting a special forces compartment. This suggests that (1) the systems almost certainly will be applied to the 095 and (2) China indeed does take stealthy deployment of troops seriously or is at least looking into it.

 

[asif iqbal]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Question is what kind of weapons will this submarine test, depending on its configuration we can know what's next for the PLAN

 

[Skywatcher]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Well, if you did build a 6,000-7,000 ton SSK, its cost might be comparable to that of a SSN (which begs the question of why don't you just build a SSN if you already have the capability to do so).

 

[Lion]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Well, if you did build a 6,000-7,000 ton SSK, its cost might be comparable to that of a SSN (which begs the question of why don't you just build a SSN if you already have the capability to do so).

Nuclear reactor is much bigger than conventional diesel/ electric propulsion system. Thats why you do see most nuclear sub are heavy and bigger. Remember this sub contains not only SLBM test launcher but LACM and other test facilities. Shall it goes nuclear, it will be even bigger and heavy than 6000-7000tons. Plus cost will be another factor. Since this is test platform, PLAN probably do not see the need of best propulsion system needed for it.

 

[escobar]

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China’s navy is expected to begin the first sea patrols next year of a new class of strategic missile submarines, highlighting a new and growing missile threat to the U.S. homeland, according to U.S. defense officials.

“We are anticipating that combat patrols of submarines carrying the new JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missile will begin next year,” said one official familiar with recent intelligence assessments of the Chinese strategic submarine force.
China’s strategic missile submarine force currently includes three new Type 094 missile submarines each built with 12 missile launch tubes.

The submarine patrols will include scores of new JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs) on the Type 094s. The submarines are also called Jin-class missile boats by the Pentagon. The missile submarine patrols, if carried out in 2014, would be the first time China conducts submarine operations involving nuclear-tipped missiles far from Chinese shores despite having a small missile submarine force since the late 1980s.

The Washington Free Beacon first reported in August that China carried out a rare flight test that month of the JL-2, a missile analysts say will likely be equipped with multiple warheads. That test was carried out in the Bohai Sea near the northeastern coast of China, according to officials familiar with reports of the test...

 

[TyroneG]

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How would the fiber optic SAM from the new CHinese sub work? What's range? Can it shoot down a P3C?

 

[Skywatcher]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Nuclear reactor is much bigger than conventional diesel/ electric propulsion system. Thats why you do see most nuclear sub are heavy and bigger. Remember this sub contains not only SLBM test launcher but LACM and other test facilities. Shall it goes nuclear, it will be even bigger and heavy than 6000-7000tons. Plus cost will be another factor. Since this is test platform, PLAN probably do not see the need of best propulsion system needed for it.

I meant a 6,000-7,000 conventional attack sub. The 093's displacement is about 7,000-8,000 tons and it can travel at 30 knot speeds a lot longer than a "super SSK" (granted, it would probably be very noisy at such speeds).

 

[luhai]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I meant a 6,000-7,000 conventional attack sub. The 093's displacement is about 7,000-8,000 tons and it can travel at 30 knot speeds a lot longer than a "super SSK" (granted, it would probably be very noisy at such speeds).

It's quite clear now it's not a super ssk, it's test platform for next gen SSBN and SSN, sans reactor. You need to make sure the subsystems work before you stick a reactor to it. So SSBN and SSN can be built with proven technologies, rather than having the entire thing being new and experimental.

 

[hardware]

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according to the latest issue of kanwa,report aggreement between China and russia on joint development AIP for submarine.but there's could some technical problem since russia uses MESMA AIP while PLAN use stirling AIP.

 

[escobar]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

inside a song-class sub

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