PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

nicky

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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Hi everybody! There are two subs visible now on Google Earth at Huludao Bohai: the SSBN is a new 094 and the SSN looks bigger than 091 (length less 100m) and smaller than 093 (if it's length more than 105m). Is this the new 095?
 
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Hi everybody! There are two subs visible now on Google Earth at Huludao Bohai: the SSBN is a new 094 and the SSN looks bigger than 091 (length less 100m) and smaller than 093 (if it's length more than 105m). Is this the new 095?

can you post a picture of it? There is a new 093B that we have seen pictures of, so that could possibly be it.
 

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To be able to post links or images your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 4 posts.

that's what they say:D
try Google Earth or Wikimapia till I have ten

you can put them on an image server on line like imageshack and then post the text links here with spaces between www, that should get through. You have my permission to do this since it's related to this thread.
 

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these ones from
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OSIMINT-26FEB13-huludao-China-Type-094-Type-093.png

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OSIMINT-05SEPT12-Jianggezhuang-China-Type-094-Type-091.png
 

Jeff Head

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Hi everybody! There are two subs visible now on Google Earth at Huludao Bohai: the SSBN is a new 094 and the SSN looks bigger than 091 (length less 100m) and smaller than 093 (if it's length more than 105m). Is this the new 095?
The Han Class (Type 091) is 98m long, or 321.5 ft.

The Jin Class (Type 094) is 133m long, or 436.5 ft.

The Shang Class (Type 093) is 110m or 361 ft long. There is an improved Type 093 design, I believe it is still designated the Shang Class and that the hull is basically the same except with improved tiling, quieting and sound suprression. Do not know if the pic you shpow is the Type 093 or the improved variety.

Apparently only two Type 093 were built, then 4 or more improved Type 093.

I believe the PLAN is now working on the the Type 095. Two of them may have already been launched and in trials. They apparently do have a new hull.
 
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nicky

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Thank you all! Bing Maps gives a really better picture (switch from Birds Eye to Areal) than Google Earth, though lacks measurement tool, unfortunately. Therefore approximate length of the new boat may be about 106 meters. And I have a feeling seeing a towed array dispenser similar to that of the Russian Akula-III class boat? Vertical fin ending looks longer and thicker than that of the 094 next to it. First time in PLAN?
 
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Jeff Head

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Thank you all! Bing Maps gives a really better picture (switch from Birds Eye to Areal) than Google Earth, though lacks measurement tool, unfortunately. Therefore approximate length of the new boat may be about 106 meters.
There is a very good explanation of the two subs and their history at the following site:

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It tracks them and explains what Huludao Shipyard has been doing, with notes and references to what intelligence believes they are:

Open Source IMINT said:
Huludao Shipyard & China’s New Submarines
May 2013

Imagery from 26 February 2013 continues to show a Type 093 Shang class SSN (or Type 093 variant) as well as a Type 094 Jin class SSBN at Huludao’s fitting out pier.

A review of satellite imagery from from July 2011, October 2012, and February 2013 shows some new developments at China’s Bohai shipyard No. 431 based at Huludao. Imagery suggests China is on schedule to produce its fourth Type 094 Jin class SSBN — commissioning one every three years since 2007 — while also returning to production the Type 093 Shang class SSN.

Imagery Observations

OSIMINT (14OCT12) Huludao Fitting outCommercial infrared imagery from 04JUL11 (not pictured) showed a Jin class boat at the fitting out pier while a probable Type 093 was located in the nearby dry dock. (The Type 093 is mentioned as “probable” due to the low quality of the IR image).

By October 2012, the Type 093 or possible variant had relocated from the drydock to the fitting out pier pictured left. The latest available imagery from 26FEB13 (above) continues to show both Type 093 and Type 094 boats in the same location, possibly in the process of sea trials as indicated by the broken ice.

According to imagery estimates, this would be the third Type 093 and the fourth Type 094 to be commissioned in the PLAN. The Shang class boats will replace the current Type 091 Han class located at Jianggezhuang, while the latest 094 may join the first Jin boat already based at Yulin since 2008. [1] Alternatively, the 094 may join an additional Jin also at Jianggezhuang observed in 2010 and 2012. However, suggesting the latter may be premature as not enough publicly accessible imagery could be located to determine a baseline of Type 094 activity at that location.

According to the latest estimates from the DoD’s 2013 report to congress, China is expected to produce five Type 094s before moving on to the next class of boats, the Type 096. In addition, China is expected to build four of the improved variants of the Shang class SSN, for a total of six Type 093. The imagery above suggests China has started the Type 093 variant series.
 

nicky

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With all due respect to you sir and OSINT (which contains only known info), I dare to draw your attention to the two major observation from my previous post:
a) OSINT is wrong with the length of the boat calculation;
b) TAS? The more I look the more I'm sure.
I can hardly expect a version of the type to be shorter. Presence of TAS(?) might be another feature of a new type.
Google Earth provides historical imagery of the shipyard #431 from 2013, 2010, 2009, 2007.
 
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Jeff Head

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With all due respect to you sir and OSINT (which contains only known info), I dare to draw your attention to the two major observation from my previous post:
a) OSINT is wrong with the length of the boat calculation;
b) TAS? The more I look the more I'm sure.
I can hardly expect a version of the type to be shorter. Presence of TAS(?) might be another feature of a new type.
Google Earth provides historical imagery of the shipyard #431 from 2013, 2010, 2009, 2007.
Oh, I agree with the inaccurate length.

If that is a Type 093 modified SSN, then the SSN is longer than they think.

I posted the info here to give a full description of what they had to say to go along with the pictures posted from their site.
 

nicky

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I really appreciate your efforts to clear the problem. I find it inconvenient this sub thread being so general instead of a logical break into categories by type or basing or otherwise. Or a separate thread with all/only pictures of the subs and basic dimensions assembled in collections to help identification:eek:
 
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