PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

[Jeff Head]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Here's a couple of good pics of the Type 032.

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Gives you a better idea of the size of this vessel.

My impression to date is that this is a one off test submarine. If we see more than one, then we will know that it may be serially produced. But right now they talk about it being built to test sub-launched ballistic milles (SL-2?) and cruise missiles.

At 6600 tons submerged, it is probably only going to be able to carry a couple of the large SLBMs...but for testing there is no need for more than that.

 

[paintgun]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Here's a couple of good pics of the Type 032.

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Gives you a better idea of the size of this vessel.

My impression to date is that this is a one off test submarine. If we see more than one, then we will know that it may be serially produced. But right now they talk about it being built to test sub-launched ballistic milles (SL-2?) and cruise missiles.

At 6600 tons submerged, it is probably only going to be able to carry a couple of the large SLBMs...but for testing there is no need for more than that.

It's a bit dated, but yea the best shots of the submarine.
Do you think there is a good reason to serial produce this type Jeff?

If they make modification to make it more of a combat capable boat rather than a testing boat, say removing the DSRV and adding more SLBM tubes or VLS tubes, modular configuration with custom requirement, say a serie of 4 VLS boats, plus another 4 SLBM boats(or Bammers in CDF lingo). Removing all the test equipment and extra fat and weight.

Looking at the size of it, there is potential for long endurance.
The idea of having and operating this miniboomer fleet while improving the SSBN/SSN fleet is interesting.

 

[steve_rolfe]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

By all accounts from other sources on internet, the 032 is a one off test sub to replace the ageing test sub the PLAN has used upto now.

 

[plawolf]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

It's a bit dated, but yea the best shots of the submarine.
Do you think there is a good reason to serial produce this type Jeff?

If they make modification to make it more of a combat capable boat rather than a testing boat, say removing the DSRV and adding more SLBM tubes or VLS tubes, modular configuration with custom requirement, say a serie of 4 VLS boats, plus another 4 SLBM boats(or Bammers in CDF lingo). Removing all the test equipment and extra fat and weight.

Looking at the size of it, there is potential for long endurance.
The idea of having and operating this miniboomer fleet while improving the SSBN/SSN fleet is interesting.

Its pretty conclusive that the 032 is a one-off. The bump on the belly alone would make it unsuitable as a mass production template design.

However, it should be remembered that SLBMs would not be the only thing this sub was designed to test. Its large size is very likely in order to accommodate an AIP test modules and other next gen powerplant and quieting technologies, maybe they will also eventually test sub VLS on her as well.

Thus, while the 032 is an unique design, it is possible, maybe even likely, that eventually we will see an operational SSK based on much of the concepts and technologies that were first proof tested on the 032.

 

[Lion]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Its pretty conclusive that the 032 is a one-off. The bump on the belly alone would make it unsuitable as a mass production template design.

However, it should be remembered that SLBMs would not be the only thing this sub was designed to test. Its large size is very likely in order to accommodate an AIP test modules and other next gen powerplant and quieting technologies, maybe they will also eventually test sub VLS on her as well.

Thus, while the 032 is an unique design, it is possible, maybe even likely, that eventually we will see an operational SSK based on much of the concepts and technologies that were first proof tested on the 032.

Super coliin class? By the way, why conventional diesel electric sub could not generate enough power for it to power beyond 30knots? Is there anyway to overcome it without going nuclear?

 

[FORBIN]

095 Class SSN

Some source say in service for 2015 ?

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China Naval Modernization 2013

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DOD and other observers believe the Type 093 SSN design will be succeeded by a newer SSN
design called the Type 095. The August 2009 ONI report includes a graph (see Figure 3) that
shows the Type 095 SSN, along with the date 2015, suggesting that ONI projects that the first
Type 095 will enter service that year.

Laid down 12/2011 according some rumors.

 

[SinoSoldier]

Re: 095 Class SSN

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Laid down 12/2011 according some rumors.

There's a rumor that the boat was under construction as of January 2012. Another claim said that it will be launched in 2013. There is almost a very high chance that it will incorporate the technologies seen on the Golf-replacement unit. Another photo appearing in 2013 seems to confirm that a Type 095 or at least an upgraded Type 093 was launched.

 

[SinoSoldier]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Its pretty conclusive that the 032 is a one-off. The bump on the belly alone would make it unsuitable as a mass production template design.

However, it should be remembered that SLBMs would not be the only thing this sub was designed to test. Its large size is very likely in order to accommodate an AIP test modules and other next gen powerplant and quieting technologies, maybe they will also eventually test sub VLS on her as well.

Thus, while the 032 is an unique design, it is possible, maybe even likely, that eventually we will see an operational SSK based on much of the concepts and technologies that were first proof tested on the 032.

The technologies all seem to be slated for the 095 though, and seeing that the test sub was first seen in 2010, it would make sense in terms of the timeline for it to be applied to the new SSN, rumored to be launched recently. There has yet to be a SSK with vertically launched cruise missiles, special forces compartment, UUV, etc.

 

[plawolf]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

The technologies all seem to be slated for the 095 though, and seeing that the test sub was first seen in 2010, it would make sense in terms of the timeline for it to be applied to the new SSN, rumored to be launched recently. There has yet to be a SSK with vertically launched cruise missiles, special forces compartment, UUV, etc.

The only thing about the 032 that relates to the 095 is its missile tube. Anything else they might test like general hull shaping, other internal quieting technologies and AIP would be either dual use or SSK specific. You simply don't need such a massive sub if all you are doing is testing the missile tubes, just look at the old gulf class. OTOH, if you are spending all that money on a dedicated test sub, it would make a lot of sense to build it to test as much technologies as you can to get the most out of that investment, this is especially true since they designed this sub from scratch rather than converted it from an existing design.

VLS for cruise and anti ship missiles can be put in the SLBM VLS if the missile tubes are modular, and doing it that way would also provide valuable test data for the feasibility of developing modular missile tubes for future upgrades to the 095 and an SSGN variant of the Type 95 if the PLAN so chooses.

As for special forces compartments and UUVs, well I just don't think the PLA has the same like of global sneak deployment requirements as the US for special forces. At a push, a clamped on DSRV or just shoving SpecOps out of torpedoe tubes would server, so the option of underwater stealth deployment is always available, but the chances that China would actually use such a capability is so remote that I hardly see the need for such specialised adaptations that do not add anything to the normal options of subs.

 

[antiterror13]

Re: 095 Class SSN

I am always under the impression that a Type 095 is in sea trial since 2012