PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

[tphuang]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

No. PLA forces are designed to operate in all environments so that they don't break down and cry like other armies when the headset breaks or the batteries run out. They are altogether a tougher force when the going gets tough, and their strategies are designed to work when the only fighting equipment left are sticks, stones, and maybe an occasional gong.

how is that going to help you when the other navy's submarine can track yours and you can't track theirs?

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

 

[ChinaGuy]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

how is that going to help you when the other navy's submarine can track yours and you can't track theirs?

How do you know PLAN can't track other people's subs ? Because someone on the internet said so ? You must be quite young to believe every BS you come across. Perhaps you should try living out side US for a bit and learn to see beyond the brain washing. I tango with yanks all the time in many other areas, so I am very familiar with their environmentally induced weaknesses, and my suggestion would be good for you intellectual health.

 

[Mysterre]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Are you ?

Nope. Then again, I never claimed to be working in a "similar" industry and demand to have my OPINIONS given more weight than others here. But I do remember somebody else making this ridiculous claim. Problem?

 

[tphuang]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

How do you know PLAN can't track other people's subs ? Because someone on the internet said so ? You must be quite young to believe every BS you come across. Perhaps you should try living out side US for a bit and learn to see beyond the brain washing. I tango with yanks all the time in many other areas, so I am very familiar with their environmentally induced weaknesses, and my suggestion would be good for you intellectual health.

I don't see where I've lived in really matters. But for your information, I've lived in 4 different countries and frequently travel around.

If you read my post, you'd see I stated nothing about PLAN can't track other people's subs.

I have problem with your statement. I don't see how using sticks and stones will help you in undersea warfare.

"They are altogether a tougher force when the going gets tough, and their strategies are designed to work when the only fighting equipment left are sticks, stones, and maybe an occasional gong."

and also this. Yorkie was simply explaining that when you are in a submarine, you probably don't want to use your voice too much, since that would increase submarine's acoustic signatures and make it easier to track. You clearly have no understand of anything technical to contribute here.

"No. PLA forces are designed to operate in all environments so that they don't break down and cry like other armies when the headset breaks or the batteries run out. "

 

[ChinaGuy]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

If you read my post, you'd see I stated nothing about PLAN can't track other people's subs.

See below

the other navy's submarine can track yours and you can't track theirs?

 

[bd popeye]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

ChinaGuy, was referring to you posting about this..

"No. PLA forces are designed to operate in all environments so that they don't break down and cry like other armies when the headset breaks or the batteries run out. "

and he answered that well.

It's a fact that in a submarine without technology you are dead in the water. You can't see.. you can't hear you cannot navigate. You cannot use your weapons.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

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Nope. Then again, I never claimed to be working in a "similar" industry and demand to have my OPINIONS given more weight than others here. But I do remember somebody else making this ridiculous claim. Problem?

I don;t just claim I actually work in industry and You are making baseless opinion without any shred of evidence or scientific background. At least i have good grounding in engineering and have degree. I don't just blabbered my mouth. You can disprove my theory and other people has confirmed my statement You? nothing!

 

[tphuang]

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I don;t just claim I actually work in industry and You are making baseless opinion without any shred of evidence or scientific background. At least i have good grounding in engineering and have degree. I don't just blabbered my mouth. You can disprove my theory and other people has confirmed my statement You? nothing!

I think most of us on this forum have some knowledge in this area or are at least logical. Stating that you have engineering degree really doesn't show much. It's well know that China has been far behind in submarine for many years. It has improved in the recent years, but it still has a lot of catching up to do. I'm not convinced of the often quoted chart from late 90s where it showed 095 to be less quiet than Akula I class, but I certainly think it will still be at least a generation behind Virginia class. You can look at 039B or 093 and then compare it with known lo signature designs and see that China has ground to make up in sig management. The large sub that supposedly replaces No. 200 is definitely an improvement, but it's still got catching up to do.

It's not just David Axe's opinion that China is behind, but rather the opinion of the submariners that I've talked to.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

I think most of us on this forum have some knowledge in this area or are at least logical. Stating that you have engineering degree really doesn't show much. It's well know that China has been far behind in submarine for many years. It has improved in the recent years, but it still has a lot of catching up to do. I'm not convinced of the often quoted chart from late 90s where it showed 095 to be less quiet than Akula I class, but I certainly think it will still be at least a generation behind Virginia class. You can look at 039B or 093 and then compare it with known lo signature designs and see that China has ground to make up in sig management. The large sub that supposedly replaces No. 200 is definitely an improvement, but it's still got catching up to do.

It's not just David Axe's opinion that China is behind, but rather the opinion of the submariners that I've talked to.

Tphuang you are programmer without any background in engineering. And you are very impressionable young guy, Did you friend actually tailed Chinese submarine and did he actually know which submarine that he tailed?. Most likely your friend has biased view based on reading the same article like the one by David Axe

You blindly trust this guy and socalled expert because you cannot make up logical deduction based on some basic knowledge in engineering. All you have to go is reading somebody opinion because he or she supposed to be expert.

I never said that Chinese submarine is equal the best of US has to offer but based on their technological base in nuclear power and advanced in recent years they should be closing the gap very fast!

the fact that they built 4 or 5 Type 93, 2 type 94 show that they have confidence in their submarine design. Off course you want to keep improving and leap frog to the next level. Giving their deep pocket and the experience of building 2 generation of nuclear submarine and 3 different type of conventional Sub, they are more than qualify to go to the next level. This bad mouthing is unwarranted!

Nuclear power is nuclear power whether you build it for civilian plant or submarine plant!. The same with quieting technology there is equivalent in civilian tech as well

 

[NikeX]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Tphuang you are just programmer without any background in engineering And you are very impressionable young guy, Did you friend actually tailed Chinese submarine and did he actually know which submarine that he tailed?

You blindly trust this guy and socalled expert because you cannot make up logical deduction based on some basic knowledge in engineering. All you have to go is reading somebody opinion because he or she supposed to be expert.

I never said that Chinese submarine is equal the best of US has to offer but based on their technological base in nuclear power and advanced in recent years they should be closing the gap very fast!

Nuclear power is nuclear power whether you build it for civilian plant or submarine plant!. The same with quieting technology there is equivalent in civilian tech as well

Why? Why would they be "closing the gap" when others are advancing also? The target they are aiming at is moving too