PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

Equation

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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

You are right. looks on a sub are superficial. However, a submarine similar to a 30 years old design isnt a indication of good capabilities. Although things may not be that bad for china. Nuclear submarine tech hasnt advanced that much since the end of the cold war, for obvious reasons. nuclear subs arent much of use against rogue nations/terrorists. Thats why there hasnt been much investment in this area.

seawolf is from the decade of 80 and virginia is what, a 20 years old design. Even the new russian subs are designs from the last years of the soviet era, only now they have the funding to build them.


Well, what about the new revised Ohio class like the SSGN types that ferries Navy SEALS? Wouldn't they have to reconfigure the equipment and supplies to match their mission?
 

Blitzo

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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

You are right. looks on a sub are superficial. However, a submarine similar to a 30 years old design isnt a indication of good capabilities. Although things may not be that bad for china.

Well the way I see it with submarine appearance vs capabilities:
"Modern" appearance usually entails more modern/capable platform
"Less modern" appearance does not entail less capable platform

I think the industrial capability (and other factors like previous experience etc) of the home country when a sub is built, or prior to when said sub is built, is a more logical way of assessing how good it could be.

Nuclear submarine tech hasnt advanced that much since the end of the cold war, for obvious reasons. nuclear subs arent much of use against rogue nations/terrorists. Thats why there hasnt been much investment in this area.

Well there certainly hasn't been massive breakthroughs in sub tech and ASW in the last few decades indeed. Sub warfare seems to be very evolutionary rather than revolutionary compared to say, aircraft in which VLO was a game changer.
 

bladerunner

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Because it had something to do with subs , I thought I may as well put it in here.

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Chinese Drones Will Evolve New Sub Hunting Methods on the Fly
Andrew Tarantola -

China’s new fleet of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV’s) could reportedly find use as an autonomous, ship-launched defense against submarines. And, according to a paper published in the journal Advanced Materials Research, the UAV’s will use genetic algorithms to spot the subs faster.

A genetic algorithm is one that works much like natural evolution. It narrows down search results, weeding out the weaker, off-topic responses, and recombining the “stronger” returned values into a better hybridised result. In the case of the Chinese UAV’s, this result is a more efficient search pattern. And, by taking factors such as fuel economy, air and sea-based threats, and information from deployed sonar buoys, the UAV’s can rapidly home in on enemy subs.

Given the US’s renewed interest in the Pacific theater as well as renewed tensions with Taiwan, it does seem a bit odd that the PRC is letting everyone see its cards, so to speak. Then again, China also published a paper on how to hack US cyber-structures and its electricity grid back in 2010, then proceeded to do so with the American intelligence community apparently powerless to stop it. [New Scientist via PopSci]
china, drones, genetic algorithm, submarines, subs, uav, usa, war
 

escobar

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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Because it had something to do with subs , I thought I may as well put it in here.

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Chinese Drones Will Evolve New Sub Hunting Methods on the Fly
Andrew Tarantola -

China’s new fleet of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV’s) could reportedly find use as an autonomous, ship-launched defense against submarines. And, according to a paper published in the journal Advanced Materials Research, the UAV’s will use genetic algorithms to spot the subs faster.

A genetic algorithm is one that works much like natural evolution. It narrows down search results, weeding out the weaker, off-topic responses, and recombining the “stronger” returned values into a better hybridised result. In the case of the Chinese UAV’s, this result is a more efficient search pattern. And, by taking factors such as fuel economy, air and sea-based threats, and information from deployed sonar buoys, the UAV’s can rapidly home in on enemy subs.

Given the US’s renewed interest in the Pacific theater as well as renewed tensions with Taiwan, it does seem a bit odd that the PRC is letting everyone see its cards, so to speak. Then again, China also published a paper on how to hack US cyber-structures and its electricity grid back in 2010, then proceeded to do so with the American intelligence community apparently powerless to stop it. [New Scientist via PopSci]
china, drones, genetic algorithm, submarines, subs, uav, usa, war

what is the link between this "UAV using genetic algorithms to spot subs" and and a paper showing how to hack US cyber-structures and its electricity grid??
 
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AssassinsMace

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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

What renewed tension with Taiwan? That pretty much says it all. Must be a boring day for military news or they're trying offset the bad news the Pentagon revealed advanced surveilliance drones like the Global Hawk are not that more capable than updated U2s so they're shelving $3 billion in the program. Another article suggested that China was trying to trick the US to waste billions trying to counter. I'm sure there is a paper that talks about hacking into the US power grid. Why wouldn't there be if someone was studying cyber warfare? But to say one resulted directly from the other? Then they better believe PNAC and what was the real reason for the war in Iraq.
 
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no_name

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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Suppose if the US had developed means to hack Chinese power grids. China would then blow this fish out of the water by hinting to the US that they too can hack US power grids with proofs to back it up, so that both sides would not go there.
 

Blitzo

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But wrt the actual point, is that there has been a major study into looking about UAVs for ASW.

The fact that it's been "revealed" is not a big deal. Besides america's wanted more transparency for years.

Btw here's the original study (you have to pay to see the full thing) if anyone wants to see:

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delft

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But wrt the actual point, is that there has been a major study into looking about UAVs for ASW.

The fact that it's been "revealed" is not a big deal. Besides america's wanted more transparency for years.

Btw here's the original study (you have to pay to see the full thing) if anyone wants to see:

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The wonder must be why it was published in, not very good, English.
 
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