PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

tphuang said:

China's shipbuilding industry is not sophisticated. It's very good at building cheap, low profit and small ships. It's finally moving into building VLCCs, but they are still way behind the South Koreans in LNG carriers. We don't even need to get into luxurious cruisers and such. While China is not the bottom feeder (I think Vietnam is), it's definitely in the low end of the shipbuilding industry in terms of the vessels that it's building. Of course, the fact that it has cornered out 25% of the world market allowed it to improve its technology, ship designing capability and workmanship. But let's be clear here, ships are being built in China, because Chinese labour is cheap, not because other countries can't build them. Of course, most of us predict something in the Varyag size using conventional power and steam catapult for the first carrier. And even that is a huge step for China considering the biggest thing they built so far is 071. I was pretty much laughing when I read the stuff about 93K tonne carrier that's equivalent to Nimitz class.

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What you mean by behind korea in LNG yes in term of tonnage sold to the world market but Do you know the inside out of the specification for the new LNG that they build now or it is just your own opinion?

As some one who also work in process industry there is no such thing as backward when you have to refrigerate natural gas to liquid form The steel will easily break up in such low temperature You need all kind of postweld heat treatment and work with exotic alloy

Here it is from the horses mouth itself you be the judge

China confirmed the first carrier

in Hong Kong on March 17, 2007 proved to be the first carrier in China Daily,

Zhang Yunchuan : Based made preparations for the smooth [Daily -- An experts : Regarding recent U.S. intelligence showed there were rumors that China is making self-carrier, Zhang Yunchuan, director of Commission of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense confirmed the news yesterday that it is studying options, based on the self-construction. And large aircraft research and manufacturing, will also start soon.

This is the first foreign military aircraft carrier to recognize their construction plans. Zhang Yunchuan said that the central government is considering the construction of aircraft carriers, and based on their manufacture, and the old rumor is not the carrier for technological transformation. He disclosed that preparations are under way for the carrier to create, but take a very long time, but the current preparatory work smoothly.

Many technical problems have been overcome. Central has not yet determined to build the ships, said Zhang Yunchuan, if determined to believe that the Central Construction aircraft technology have absolute confidence in the industrial sector. will make every effort to complete the project. Earlier this with the Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense spokesman Huang Qiang revealed that China has the ability to manufacture aircraft carrier speech the same.

In addition, it has attracted attention within and outside the country on behalf of the competitiveness of the project, the development of high ground. Zhang Yunchuan said that the aircraft research projects will soon enter the stage started.

According to earlier news, the research is very difficult, the cycle will be longer. China's large aircraft will be a special inter-estimated two to three five-year plan, and preliminary work is otherwise solid and the key to success.

tphuang said:

China's shipbuilding industry is not sophisticated. It's very good at building cheap, low profit and small ships. It's finally moving into building VLCCs, but they are still way behind the South Koreans in LNG carriers. We don't even need to get into luxurious cruisers and such. While China is not the bottom feeder (I think Vietnam is), it's definitely in the low end of the shipbuilding industry in terms of the vessels that it's building. Of course, the fact that it has cornered out 25% of the world market allowed it to improve its technology, ship designing capability and workmanship. But let's be clear here, ships are being built in China, because Chinese labour is cheap, not because other countries can't build them. Of course, most of us predict something in the Varyag size using conventional power and steam catapult for the first carrier. And even that is a huge step for China considering the biggest thing they built so far is 071. I was pretty much laughing when I read the stuff about 93K tonne carrier that's equivalent to Nimitz class.

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What you mean by behind korea in LNG yes in term of tonnage sold to the world market but Do you know the inside out of the specification for the new LNG that they build now or it is just your own opinion?

As some one who also work in process industry there is no such thing as backward when you have to refrigerate natural gas to liquid form The steel will easily break up in such low temperature You need all kind of postweld heat treatment and work with exotic alloy

Here it is from the horses mouth itself you be the judge

China confirmed the first carrier

in Hong Kong on March 17, 2007 proved to be the first carrier in China Daily,

Zhang Yunchuan : Based made preparations for the smooth [Daily -- An experts : Regarding recent U.S. intelligence showed there were rumors that China is making self-carrier, Zhang Yunchuan, director of Commission of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense confirmed the news yesterday that it is studying options, based on the self-construction. And large aircraft research and manufacturing, will also start soon.

This is the first foreign military aircraft carrier to recognize their construction plans. Zhang Yunchuan said that the central government is considering the construction of aircraft carriers, and based on their manufacture, and the old rumor is not the carrier for technological transformation. He disclosed that preparations are under way for the carrier to create, but take a very long time, but the current preparatory work smoothly.

Many technical problems have been overcome. Central has not yet determined to build the ships, said Zhang Yunchuan, if determined to believe that the Central Construction aircraft technology have absolute confidence in the industrial sector. will make every effort to complete the project. Earlier this with the Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense spokesman Huang Qiang revealed that China has the ability to manufacture aircraft carrier speech the same.

In addition, it has attracted attention within and outside the country on behalf of the competitiveness of the project, the development of high ground. Zhang Yunchuan said that the aircraft research projects will soon enter the stage started.

According to earlier news, the research is very difficult, the cycle will be longer. China's large aircraft will be a special inter-estimated two to three five-year plan, and preliminary work is otherwise solid and the key to success.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Hendrik_2000 said:

What you mean by behind korea in LNG yes in term of tonnage sold to the world market but Do you know the inside out of the specification for the new LNG that they build now or it is just your own opinion?

As some one who also work in process industry there is no such thing as backward when you have to refrigerate natural gas to liquid form The steel will easily break up in such low temperature You need all kind of postweld heat treatment and work with exotic alloy

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What I use is something that you seem to have very little of. That is called common sense. You gotta crawl before you can walk. To think China is anything but years behind the South Koreans in LNG construction is just fantasy. South Koreans consistently deliver LNG time and in good quality. China, the best we've done is one LNG carrier. It's a big step, but there is still plenty of work to do.

Your article doesn't prove anything about the nuclear carrier.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Hendrik_2000 said:

What you mean by behind korea in LNG yes in term of tonnage sold to the world market but Do you know the inside out of the specification for the new LNG that they build now or it is just your own opinion?

As some one who also work in process industry there is no such thing as backward when you have to refrigerate natural gas to liquid form The steel will easily break up in such low temperature You need all kind of postweld heat treatment and work with exotic alloy

Click to expand...

What I use is something that you seem to have very little of. That is called common sense. You gotta crawl before you can walk. To think China is anything but years behind the South Koreans in LNG construction is just fantasy. South Koreans consistently deliver LNG time and in good quality. China, the best we've done is one LNG carrier. It's a big step, but there is still plenty of work to do.

Your article doesn't prove anything about the nuclear carrier.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Hendrik_2000 said:

What you mean by behind korea in LNG yes in term of tonnage sold to the world market but Do you know the inside out of the specification for the new LNG that they build now or it is just your own opinion?

As some one who also work in process industry there is no such thing as backward when you have to refrigerate natural gas to liquid form The steel will easily break up in such low temperature You need all kind of postweld heat treatment and work with exotic alloy

Click to expand...

What I use is something that you seem to have very little of. That is called common sense. You gotta crawl before you can walk. To think China is anything but years behind the South Koreans in LNG construction is just fantasy. South Koreans consistently deliver LNG time and in good quality. China, the best we've done is one LNG carrier. It's a big step, but there is still plenty of work to do.

Your article doesn't prove anything about the nuclear carrier.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

tphuang said:

What I use is something that you seem to have very little of. That is called common sense. You gotta crawl before you can walk. To think China is anything but years behind the South Koreans in LNG construction is just fantasy. South Koreans consistently deliver LNG time and in good quality. China, the best we've done is one LNG carrier. It's a big step, but there is still plenty of work to do.

Your article doesn't prove anything about the nuclear carrier.

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what common sense got to do with achieving technical goal You either meet your technical specification or you don't there is nothing halfway In every technical endeavour you have to satisfy test I believe the same thing happend with ship to You went for a shake down cruise and see if you meet the performance spec as to speed, endurance, fuel economy, working sensor and reliability. Irrespective whether you built one or a dozen

I believe you make those comment out of your inferiority complex that anything that South Korea built must be better than China

I am not here to prove anything What I'm saying is this is semi official acknowledgement that China is considering building a carrier and not some fanboy fertile imagination COSTIND is organ of China defense industry. China daily is the mouthpiece of CCCP

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

tphuang said:

What I use is something that you seem to have very little of. That is called common sense. You gotta crawl before you can walk. To think China is anything but years behind the South Koreans in LNG construction is just fantasy. South Koreans consistently deliver LNG time and in good quality. China, the best we've done is one LNG carrier. It's a big step, but there is still plenty of work to do.

Your article doesn't prove anything about the nuclear carrier.

Click to expand...

what common sense got to do with achieving technical goal You either meet your technical specification or you don't there is nothing halfway In every technical endeavour you have to satisfy test I believe the same thing happend with ship to You went for a shake down cruise and see if you meet the performance spec as to speed, endurance, fuel economy, working sensor and reliability. Irrespective whether you built one or a dozen

I believe you make those comment out of your inferiority complex that anything that South Korea built must be better than China

I am not here to prove anything What I'm saying is this is semi official acknowledgement that China is considering building a carrier and not some fanboy fertile imagination COSTIND is organ of China defense industry. China daily is the mouthpiece of CCCP

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

tphuang said:

What I use is something that you seem to have very little of. That is called common sense. You gotta crawl before you can walk. To think China is anything but years behind the South Koreans in LNG construction is just fantasy. South Koreans consistently deliver LNG time and in good quality. China, the best we've done is one LNG carrier. It's a big step, but there is still plenty of work to do.

Your article doesn't prove anything about the nuclear carrier.

Click to expand...

what common sense got to do with achieving technical goal You either meet your technical specification or you don't there is nothing halfway In every technical endeavour you have to satisfy test I believe the same thing happend with ship to You went for a shake down cruise and see if you meet the performance spec as to speed, endurance, fuel economy, working sensor and reliability. Irrespective whether you built one or a dozen

I believe you make those comment out of your inferiority complex that anything that South Korea built must be better than China

I am not here to prove anything What I'm saying is this is semi official acknowledgement that China is considering building a carrier and not some fanboy fertile imagination COSTIND is organ of China defense industry. China daily is the mouthpiece of CCCP

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Hendrik_2000 said:

this is semi official acknowledgement that China is considering building a carrier

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Read that very carefully and tell me exactly what specifics it gives.

Semi-official consideration is not anything specific or firm whatsoever.

Look, most of us here believe that the PLAN is going to launch the Varyag. They have put too much study, too much time, too much money, and too much work into her and over the last few years she has made steady progress.

Most also believe that after training and learning with her that the PLAN will then build its own indeginous carriers within the next 6-8 years...probably two of them.

I believe we are really saying pretty much the same thing in principle regarding these points.

But, a PLAN, nuclear, 93,000 ton aircraft carrier, it if materializes, is something most of us believe could only come after all of that occurs. Several of the people you have been dialoging with on this thread have years of experience with aircraft carriers...both practical experience at sea sailing and maintaining them and engineering/design experience.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Hendrik_2000 said:

this is semi official acknowledgement that China is considering building a carrier

Click to expand...

Read that very carefully and tell me exactly what specifics it gives.

Semi-official consideration is not anything specific or firm whatsoever.

Look, most of us here believe that the PLAN is going to launch the Varyag. They have put too much study, too much time, too much money, and too much work into her and over the last few years she has made steady progress.

Most also believe that after training and learning with her that the PLAN will then build its own indeginous carriers within the next 6-8 years...probably two of them.

I believe we are really saying pretty much the same thing in principle regarding these points.

But, a PLAN, nuclear, 93,000 ton aircraft carrier, it if materializes, is something most of us believe could only come after all of that occurs. Several of the people you have been dialoging with on this thread have years of experience with aircraft carriers...both practical experience at sea sailing and maintaining them and engineering/design experience.