Thank you for your useless input; we have the same amount of civility on every side, except that you obviously have a side you agree with and therefore willfully choose to see with one eye open and the other eye closed.
PLAN Anti-ship/surface missiles
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LOL like that's a bad thing. I truly and sincerely hope that every last fanboi on SDF puts me on ignore so that I don't have to deal with them anymore.
If you don't believe it's impossible to achieve in a similar chassis then my comment to Sinosoldier doesn't apply to you. If it does then I'm not erecting a straw man. It's that simple. Either way, I didn't bring you up, so don't make it about yourself. Seriously, this is an internet chat board. Don't be so uptight. Throwing a tantrum and hurling insults left and right isn't going to get you anywhere.
You accusing anyone else of throwing a tantrum and hurling insults is the acme of hypocrisy after the garbage you left in this thread.
Yeah, you didn't specifically say my name, but based on the flow of conversation it should be clear to anyone that you were in fact referring specifically to me. It's that simple. That you continue to deny this obvious fact is another testament to your intellectual (and at times actual factual) dishonesty, something that I've pointed out in you many times before on SDF; you seem to excel in this artifice.
Hyperwarp
Captain
I don't know about the DoD report but,
the original land based HQ-9 had a range of 200 km but with an awful minimum engagement altitude. This was not suitable for a naval version. Not sure whether this version ever entered service with any other forces such as PLAAF. Certainly not the PLAN. The naval version called HHQ-9A was heavily modified and has a max range of 120 km and importantly low altitude engagement capability for anti-ship missiles. This is the version in the 052C.
For the HHQ-9A, 120 km is the max value accepted. There is new HQ-9 version (HQ-9B?) in service with a range nearly 250 km. This is a ground based version.
Frankly, I'm skeptical of any ranges provided for any of the H/HQ-9 versions. They could be 120km, or they could be 200. Or 250. I feel like we are all mainly just guessing, with the only real people in the know, the same people who will never tell us. The one exception IMO is whenever they offer this missile for export, such as they did for Turkey; if they start posting numbers in association with selling HQ-9 to another country, we would have at least a rough estimate of capability. Unfortunately I cannot find any range numbers for the HQ-9 associated with this tender.
Hyperwarp
Captain
You are right about what us outsiders know or don't know. Only the the export material give actual specifications.
The land-based export FD-2000 has a max range of 125 km - , while the minimum altitude is 25m which not suitable for a naval missile. HHQ-9A minimum altitude has to be 15m or less. As far as I know, 120 km has been the accepted value for outsiders since the launch of the 052C. The missile itself is smaller than the S-300PMU - ,
Don't forget there are multiple HQ-9 based variants. Thats why you get different values for range and other specifications. Ground based there are at least 2. HQ-9A and HQ-9B and naval you have the HHQ-9A.
Shouting hypocrisy doesn't vindicate or excuse your own behavior. Seriously grow up. You've been engaging in regular petty matches with multiple people so regularly it's become a predictable pattern any time you comment. There's that saying about how if you are finding problems with multiplie people maybe you're the problem. Maybe that's something you need to take a step back and consider. If you don't want these threads littered with garbage posts start with yourself, since you seem to be responsible for so many of them. If you think you're being slighted maybe learn to ignore rather than try to bully people. It doesn't work, and if you haven't noticed yet you're not getting what you want. If you're not willing to uphold standards of etiquette you demand from (or try to force out of) others you'll come off as disingenuous. Hold yourself accountable before asking that of others if you really want to do better.
I'm not denying anything. I made a generic statement. Don't be so thin skinned and paranoid.
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It's not my fault that there are so many fanbois on SDF who don't like what I have to say. I honestly think people like you should just put me on ignore instead of continuing to troll as is your habit (e.g. your most recent 055 trolling). I've suggested that to you before but you seem to be a troll AND a masochist; probably the former is your greater motivation, no? I certainly don't need your commentary and you don't seem to like mine. In any case, your continued denials are like the defiant but useless denials of a petulant child obviously caught in the act but trying to pretend he wasn't.
Of course I know that. I've also heard different numbers for the "accepted value" over the years as far as HHQ-9A's range goes, from 100 to 120 to 150. Last I heard the HHQ-9B had a range of 200km, but now you're telling me it's 250km. All this tells me is that we are all just taking stabs in the dark here.