PLAN Anti-ship/surface missiles

latenlazy

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It's not my fault that there are so many fanbois on SDF who don't like what I have to say. I honestly think people like you should just put me on ignore instead of continuing to troll as is your habit (e.g. your most recent 055 trolling). I've suggested that to you before but you seem to be a troll AND a masochist; probably the former is your greater motivation, no? I certainly don't need your commentary and you don't seem to like mine. In any case, your continued denials are like the defiant but useless denials of a petulant child obviously caught in the act but trying to pretend he wasn't.

*You* are *always* responsible for how *you* treat others. That responsibility rests on what *you* choose to do. Discourse is always a two way street. Trying to scapegoat others for your *own* obnoxious behavior doesn't change this.

I wasn't trolling you in the 055 thread. I was making an observation about *why* you always seem to derail threads into petty matches, because *this keeps happening*, and many people are seriously starting to wonder when or if this will ever end. It keeps happening with *you* because you seem to feel the need to put down and belittle people on perceived slights that aren't even always there. You do make some constructive contributions, and I would much prefer it if you stuck to that, but the thing is you don't. If you want to know my motives, ask, don't assume. Making blind characterizations and assumptions about people you don't know personally says a lot more about yourself than it does about the people you want to demean.

In this case, if you really must know why, it's because I'm tired of having to wade through endless piles of your attempts to win childish shouting matches for no apparent reason except, it seems, the desire to assert superiority over a meaningless ego domination contest. I am personally tired of you reading into offenses that aren't there, and jumping to conclusions about the intentions of the people you're responding to (including myself, so yes, some of this is self serving if you really want to contort what I'm saying to make yourself feel like the better person) without lifting a finger to either de-escalate, ask for clarification, or maintain decorum. Have you ever given some thought to the idea that that maybe self indulgent escalation only makes it worse? I am hoping that by directly confronting you about the behavior that I (and I suspect many others) are seeing maybe you will have something to reflect on and elect to do better. Do I think it will work? Not really, but the mods don't seem to be doing anything about your behavior, and talk is cheap, especially on an internet chat board, so I might as well try. Seriously, ask yourself, if you're not going to add anything constructive to a conversation, then for what motivations and purposes are you even commenting for? Before you try to turn that question back at me, you should first ask try to answer this honestly for yourself. Trying to turn the question onto others without answering it yourself is an act of deflection, which will basically communicate that your only interest is in dodging culpability and being combative, and not a reflection of any genuine attempt to communicate.

If you want to turn that question onto me anyways though, what I will tell you is that in some of my unfriendly exchanges with you, the reason I choose to confront you is because I honestly do not believe the bickering you embroil whole lists of threads in will change if you do not first acknowledge that a *large* part of the problem stems from your own behavior. I understand you may feel like you are the one often under attack, but you aren't even trying to make peace, and there are many times when *you* start things by mocking and taunting others over benign and substantive disagreements. You just assume the worst of others and won't accept anything but your own worst suspicions, no matter what others might say as clarification (this is why one of my frequent refrains with you is that you put words in other people's mouths). Yes, my own participation can sometimes inflame the problem rather than help resolve it, *but* like you I too can feel disrespected and have will respond accordingly. At the end of the day though I am not responsible for how *you* choose to conduct yourself, so if *you* choose to respond obnoxiously *you* own the portion of the vitriol that comes of it. Consider that one big reason why your interactions with me become inflammatory is because you only ever want to escalate rather than move on or break bread, and it's become rather apparent to me at least that when people do choose to move on you just *won't* stop. A week later this will start all over again with someone else and *you* at the epicenter of the flaming and baiting.You've become the constant here.

If you are truly earnest about being constructive and ending these pointless exchanges of personal attacks, don't respond to this comment with another juvenile attempt at "gotcha", don't make this about moral superiority or your slighted feelings, and, if you can manage it, don't bother to respond. Read what I have to say, if you can help yourself, as unsolicited feedback. You are only entitled to as much respect as you are willing to grace upon others, and from my experience that doesn't seem to be a lot. I would *like* to not trade petty jabs with you anymore, and I would *like* for my interactions with you to be constructive and pleasant, and I would like for the atmosphere in this forum to improve. If you would like that too, pause and think about what I and others have to say about your behavior, and choose to do better.
 
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Deino

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Guys ... stop this BS. All arguments are on the table and the next one who replies with a personnel accusation or insult needs a vacation !

Take this as a warning.

Deino
 

FORBIN

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The figures were spouted by Russian outlets a few years back (hence the term "reported"), but their credibility cannot be gauged.

The 3M54E, nevertheless, would have been downgraded to meet MTCR restrictions, so it is quite unlikely that a domestic Russian variant would have the same range as the "E".

Surely don't exist and Russian Navy use Hyperwarp had same opinion than me
I use this very good site and don't exist a 3M54E or other with a range of up to 600 km ! even the more big SS-N-26 have a range of 300 km max
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SSM-CM Klub-Kalibr.JPG

Pay attention to the altitude also.
 

Iron Man

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Surely don't exist and Russian Navy use Hyperwarp had same opinion than me
I use this very good site and don't exist a 3M54E or other with a range of up to 600 km ! even the more big SS-N-26 have a range of 300 km max
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Pay attention to the altitude also.
What does "march" mean in reference to flight altitude? Maybe it means something like midcourse cruise.
 

FORBIN

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What does "march" mean in reference to flight altitude? Maybe it means something like midcourse cruise.
Trajectory sea skimming, medium altitude etc...some ranges are not for a true efficient attack and the range is too generous.
 

Iron Man

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I also find it curious that the Russian source, which looks like it's Russian Wikipedia, does not seem to list any domestic ranges.
 

FORBIN

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did you mean that PLAN have 5 Regiments and a Battalion of YJ-12/CM302 ? or YJ-62?

how big is a regiment and a battalion of Coastal defence of YJ-12 ?

Firstly meantime i think blogger do error it is YJ-18
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YJ-12 is the successor of the YJ-62 i means for me not in service in Coastal Defences Forces
Each Rgt ( 5 ) have 3 battalions of 8 TELs except one reinforced with 4 Bns plus Independant battalion to Hainan : 17 x 8 : 136 launchers important but China have a long coast
 
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