PLAN Anti-Piracy Deployments
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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy
Yeah all the attention that the Korean and Malaysian navy are enjoying is making me jealous. Comeon PLAN!!!
Yeah all the attention that the Korean and Malaysian navy are enjoying is making me jealous. Comeon PLAN!!!
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy
I seriously think China should take on harder stance against the pirates in order to protect her ships. Instead of just shooing them away, and when the ship was boarded, ask the affected companies or country to pay ransom, they should storm the ship like what the France, US, SK and Malaysia had done.
By just shooing away the pirates actually gave the pirates more guts, at least they know that in the worst scenario, they could simply just sail away.
(In another note, I think that all ships could actually design and built a 'safe house' in the ship... maybe a fortified cabin. This way, in the event of the pirates boarding the ship, all crew were to hide in this cabin and wait for rescue. The cabin should be bullet proof and held enough food and water to last the crew some time. This way, special forces that enter the ship could fight with ease and not afraid that they might hit any innocent hostage.)
I seriously think China should take on harder stance against the pirates in order to protect her ships. Instead of just shooing them away, and when the ship was boarded, ask the affected companies or country to pay ransom, they should storm the ship like what the France, US, SK and Malaysia had done.
By just shooing away the pirates actually gave the pirates more guts, at least they know that in the worst scenario, they could simply just sail away.
(In another note, I think that all ships could actually design and built a 'safe house' in the ship... maybe a fortified cabin. This way, in the event of the pirates boarding the ship, all crew were to hide in this cabin and wait for rescue. The cabin should be bullet proof and held enough food and water to last the crew some time. This way, special forces that enter the ship could fight with ease and not afraid that they might hit any innocent hostage.)
MwRYum
Major
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy
PLAN have yet get themselves into such an opportunity that they can let the special forces use this way, not to mention none of the international maritime law or the UN resolution that sanctioned such activities can allow them to just pound every little boat out of the water - the thing about the Somali pirate is that they can be fisherman this minutes and pirate the next. By all account, the only authority that can send the pirates to Davy Jones' locker is the Somali government (or if it requested/authorized other navies to do it for them), but the thing is, "Somali government" doesn't really exist...
However, of all honesty the PLAN have, or so they claimed, such contingency planned.
PLAN have yet get themselves into such an opportunity that they can let the special forces use this way, not to mention none of the international maritime law or the UN resolution that sanctioned such activities can allow them to just pound every little boat out of the water - the thing about the Somali pirate is that they can be fisherman this minutes and pirate the next. By all account, the only authority that can send the pirates to Davy Jones' locker is the Somali government (or if it requested/authorized other navies to do it for them), but the thing is, "Somali government" doesn't really exist...
However, of all honesty the PLAN have, or so they claimed, such contingency planned.
airsuperiority
Captain
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy
I don't think that's a good idea. The ideal picture means everyone gets in there safely, but the reality is never the case. All it takes is for the pirates to find their way into the room, then the boarding team will have as equal trouble of fishing them out.
I don't think that's a good idea. The ideal picture means everyone gets in there safely, but the reality is never the case. All it takes is for the pirates to find their way into the room, then the boarding team will have as equal trouble of fishing them out.
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy
Pirates threaten to kill Korean hostages
Somali pirates threatened today to kill any South Korean seamen they take hostage in future in revenge for the killing of eight pirates by South Korean troops who stormed a hijacked vessel.
Pirates from two bases on the Somali coast said they were taking some crews held as hostages off their vessels and moving them inland in case of more rescue attempts by the fleet of foreign warships patrolling off the lawless country's shores.
Somali pirates typically do not harm their captives because they expect to negotiate a lucrative ransom for the release of a vessel.
But now they say they want to avenge the deaths of their comrades.
"We never planned to kill but now we shall seek revenge," a pirate who identified himself as Mohamed said.
"We shall never take a ransom from Korean ships, we shall burn them and kill their crew. We shall redouble our efforts. Korea has put itself in trouble by killing my colleagues," he said from the pirate haven of Garad.
South Korea's navy rescued all 21 crew aboard the chemical carrier Samho Jewelry on Friday.
The vessel belonged to Samho Shipping, whose oil supertanker Samho Dream was released in November after being held by Somali pirates for seven months.
The pirates said they had received a record ransom of $12.5 million for the release of the supertanker.
"We have started taking the crew of (hijacked) ships inland and we have tightened our security. We lost great men in the fight with South Korean commandos," said a pirate called Hussein.
It was not possible to verify the movement of hostages.
A Kenya-based maritime official said pirates often transferred crews when panicked but expressed doubts over the threat to kill Korean crews.
"They are jumpy right now and they could do anything. But their main objective is always money," said Andrew Mwangura, head of the East African Seafarers Assistance Programme.
A report earlier this month estimated the cost of piracy globally at $9.2 billion to 12 billion a year, and said the frequent hijackings off the Horn of Africa were driving up shipping costs in the Indian Ocean.
Not saying what the pirate did was justified but sometimes you don't want to be the first tough guy, and always accept surrenders.
Pirates threaten to kill Korean hostages
Somali pirates threatened today to kill any South Korean seamen they take hostage in future in revenge for the killing of eight pirates by South Korean troops who stormed a hijacked vessel.
Pirates from two bases on the Somali coast said they were taking some crews held as hostages off their vessels and moving them inland in case of more rescue attempts by the fleet of foreign warships patrolling off the lawless country's shores.
Somali pirates typically do not harm their captives because they expect to negotiate a lucrative ransom for the release of a vessel.
But now they say they want to avenge the deaths of their comrades.
"We never planned to kill but now we shall seek revenge," a pirate who identified himself as Mohamed said.
"We shall never take a ransom from Korean ships, we shall burn them and kill their crew. We shall redouble our efforts. Korea has put itself in trouble by killing my colleagues," he said from the pirate haven of Garad.
South Korea's navy rescued all 21 crew aboard the chemical carrier Samho Jewelry on Friday.
The vessel belonged to Samho Shipping, whose oil supertanker Samho Dream was released in November after being held by Somali pirates for seven months.
The pirates said they had received a record ransom of $12.5 million for the release of the supertanker.
"We have started taking the crew of (hijacked) ships inland and we have tightened our security. We lost great men in the fight with South Korean commandos," said a pirate called Hussein.
It was not possible to verify the movement of hostages.
A Kenya-based maritime official said pirates often transferred crews when panicked but expressed doubts over the threat to kill Korean crews.
"They are jumpy right now and they could do anything. But their main objective is always money," said Andrew Mwangura, head of the East African Seafarers Assistance Programme.
A report earlier this month estimated the cost of piracy globally at $9.2 billion to 12 billion a year, and said the frequent hijackings off the Horn of Africa were driving up shipping costs in the Indian Ocean.
Not saying what the pirate did was justified but sometimes you don't want to be the first tough guy, and always accept surrenders.
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy
Somali pirates is a social and economical problem of Somali. It is a complicated problem that was a result of western colonialism and exploitation. The problem cannot be solved by shooting up a vessel as in the case of Korea. Nor by killing one pirates as in the case of USA. What do you do after capturing the pirates? Take them to court? For what benefit? If one look at pictures of the pirates you see malnourished human being. It is the exploitation and poverty that is the basic problem. One must look at the fundamentals of the problem and try to solve the fundamentals not by killing nor by military action. This problem is left over of colonialism. A problem that can only be solved by economic means not by killing. The Chinese see that and its convoy system is to ease the problem. Solving it involve the rest of the world. The main problem is Western power will not acknowledge their past behavior caused this problem therefor refuse to address the problem at its fundamentals.
Somali pirates is a social and economical problem of Somali. It is a complicated problem that was a result of western colonialism and exploitation. The problem cannot be solved by shooting up a vessel as in the case of Korea. Nor by killing one pirates as in the case of USA. What do you do after capturing the pirates? Take them to court? For what benefit? If one look at pictures of the pirates you see malnourished human being. It is the exploitation and poverty that is the basic problem. One must look at the fundamentals of the problem and try to solve the fundamentals not by killing nor by military action. This problem is left over of colonialism. A problem that can only be solved by economic means not by killing. The Chinese see that and its convoy system is to ease the problem. Solving it involve the rest of the world. The main problem is Western power will not acknowledge their past behavior caused this problem therefor refuse to address the problem at its fundamentals.
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy
Sorry...we disagree fundamentally.
Piracy will never be solved by relief efforts, or trying to lend a helping hand to the pirates.
Piracy has always been solved by crushing and killing the pirates.
Now, as to the wider issue, the people of Somalia are going to have to rise up and create opportunities for themselves and esablish a government that can bring peace to their nation. It will take risk and probably a lot of sacrifice...as it has anywhere else.
If the people are determined to do that...then relief efforts will have some meaning for them. No one can force it on them, make them do it, or just hand it to them.
But the small segment that chooses to embark on pirating (and it is a very small proportion) will have to be handled harshly if the sea lanes are to be kept safe.
History teaches us this is so.
Anyhow...just adding that opinion and belief here...not trying to get into an arguement or contest of opinions. Clearly, different people feel differently about it.
Sorry...we disagree fundamentally.
Piracy will never be solved by relief efforts, or trying to lend a helping hand to the pirates.
Piracy has always been solved by crushing and killing the pirates.
Now, as to the wider issue, the people of Somalia are going to have to rise up and create opportunities for themselves and esablish a government that can bring peace to their nation. It will take risk and probably a lot of sacrifice...as it has anywhere else.
If the people are determined to do that...then relief efforts will have some meaning for them. No one can force it on them, make them do it, or just hand it to them.
But the small segment that chooses to embark on pirating (and it is a very small proportion) will have to be handled harshly if the sea lanes are to be kept safe.
History teaches us this is so.
Anyhow...just adding that opinion and belief here...not trying to get into an arguement or contest of opinions. Clearly, different people feel differently about it.
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy
Dear Jeff Head,
The pirates were about to lose their harbors, and that would have ended the problem, when the US administration incited the Ethiopian government to invade Somalia. Any government, however objectionable in the eyes of some, can be persuaded to close its harbors to pirates, at least since the US war against the Barbary states and the bombardment of Algiers by the Royal Navy and the Dutch in 1816.
The current Somali government, elected outside Somalia with little input from Somalis, should be abandoned and the Somalis should form their own government.
Dear Jeff Head,
The pirates were about to lose their harbors, and that would have ended the problem, when the US administration incited the Ethiopian government to invade Somalia. Any government, however objectionable in the eyes of some, can be persuaded to close its harbors to pirates, at least since the US war against the Barbary states and the bombardment of Algiers by the Royal Navy and the Dutch in 1816.
The current Somali government, elected outside Somalia with little input from Somalis, should be abandoned and the Somalis should form their own government.