PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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Jeff Head

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AssassinsMace said:
Wow. I'm not sure why India and China are even compared simply on time... except for the obvious petty reasons. Let me guess... If China were working at a faster pace than India, it would be all about shoddy work and short-cuts, right?
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I think people are comparing them because the two nations, at least at this time, have very similar goals and ambitions.

First, both received former Soviet Union STOBAR carriers and had them refit. the Chinese did theirs themselves, the Indians allowed the Russians to do so.

Second, both nations then set out to build their own indigenous STOBAR carriers. The Indians got theirs fully launched first...after much delay. The Chinese are rapidly constructing their own (which is probably a major factor in them being able to now build their own faster), and will end up probably being able to commission theirs first.

And third, both nations are moving on to their second indigenous carrier (and 3rd overall), both of them planning CATOBAR.

I believe this has caught a lot of people's fancy. Both nations are on a very similar track and it is natural to compare their porgress towards these similar goals..

Now, I do not believe India has current plans to go on beyond the three carriers...and I am quite sure that China will.

But I do not see anyone here on these threads claiming that China's workmanship or quality in terms of 001A is inferior, shoddy, or anything like that. Same for INdia...they clearly have prgram mabnagement and logistical problems that they have to work out...but I believe the actual carrier, the Vikrant, will probably be a decent vessel when all is said and done.

Let's not project such comments and attitudes onto people until we actually see them...and here on SD it will not be allowed anyway.
 
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Intrepid said:
I'm curious, what ship is assembled in the dock after 001A was launched. A second type 002?
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Not sure what will be built there after 001A is complete and launched.

I would think a second 002 would not start that quickly...long before the first one is very far along.

But you never know. we shall see...and time will tell.
 
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Jeff Head said:
Not sure what will be built there after 001A is complete and launched.

I would think a second 002 would not start that quickly...long before the first one is very far along.

But you never know. we shall see...and time will tell.
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Will China have the thrust and need to have 2 in build? Or even willing?
For example.if Shanghai and Dalian will build each one.
Would be very awesome if China build 2 in line!

My guess will be an LHD and carrier in build every time.
 
AssassinsMace

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Jeff Head said:
I think people are comparing them because the two nations, at least at this time, have very similar goals and ambitions.

First, both received former Soviet Union STOBAR carriers and had them refit. the Chinese did theirs themselves, the Indians allowed the Russians to do so.

Second, both nations then set out to build their own indigenous STOBAR carriers. The Indians got theirs fully launched first...after much delay. The Chinese are rapidly constructing their own (which is probably a major factor in them being able to now build their own faster), and will end up probably being able to commission theirs first.

And third, both nations are moving on to their second indigenous carrier (and 3rd overall), both of them planning CATOBAR.

I believe this has caught a lot of people's fancy. Both nations are on a very similar track and it is natural to compare their porgress towards these similar goals..

Now, I do not believe India has current plans to go on beyond the three carriers...and I am quite sure that China will.

But I do not see anyone here on these threads claiming that China's workmanship or quality in terms of 001A is inferior, shoddy, or anything like that. Same for INdia...they clearly have prgram mabnagement and logistical problems that they have to work out...but I believe the actual carrier, the Vikrant, will probably be a decent vessel when all is said and done.

Let's not project such comments and attitudes onto people until we actually see them...and here on SD it will not be allowed anyway.
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Comparing who's aircraft carrier is being built faster is pretty superficial and says nothing. So it comes down to simply an us vs them argument.
 
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damitch300

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Jeff. Wich dock will be used for carriers and wich for lhd?
Will Dalian stay carrier capital and other LHD?
And do you think China is as mad to produce 2 carriers at once?
 
Jeff Head

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AssassinsMace said:
Comparing who's aircraft carrier is being built faster is pretty superficial and says nothing. So it comes down to simply an us vs them argument?
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No...it is simply of interest.

The two nations are using different methodologies for some of their builds, developed according to their own experience.

Clearly, IMHO, despit the fact that India may have operated Jump Jet carriers longer, and now also has the STOBAR Vikramaditya, the Chinese have far more experience in the building and fabrication area.

This has allowed them to be better prepared for the build.

Clearly, their logistical chain is also different than that of the Indians, and I would say, based on the evidence of what is actually happening, that their program management experienceand expertise is better suited to getting their own indigenous carrier built.

All of this reflect on the build and how long it takes...amon other things.

This does nt mean the Indians are shoddy...it does not mean that they are inferior in terms of what their ultimately produced carrier will be capable of.

iI does mean that there is an impact on their ability to build the carrier in as timely a manner.

HAving myself worked on several defense department projects, including naval vessels, I find it of interest far beyond some chest thumping "us vs. them" argument.

Anyhow...those are my thoughts on it...and here on SD we will try and keep it above "us vs. tehm," fanboi, or other superficial things.
 
Intrepid

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damitch300 said:
And do you think China is as mad to produce 2 carriers at once?
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It looks very anxious that there will be two shipyards, where aircraft carriers are mounted: Dalian and Shanghai. And then two aircraft carrier will be in a dry dock at the same time.

The only question is whether that will be already after 001A was undocked or later.
 
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The thing is, geopolitically India navy faces a much more friendly environment than China does, and perceived threat level is low. So even if its carrier program is delayed by 10 years, they can wait. Even if their only carrier goes back to maintenance, no big deal.

For PLA navy, the answer depends on who you ask. My observation is the China is not rushing anything. Just look at how long they waited to start 001A. I would argue that if they really want to rush, 001A could have started much earlier.
There have rumors that 001A was added to the plan as an after thought. This allows more time to mature 002, in line with Chinese planner's conservative nature.
Then comes the argument of steam vs. EM CAT. Though facing a more complicated security environment, proponents of EM CAT believe there is no urgent need to ramp up the number of carrierrs and if adoption of EM CAT push off the plan, so be it. Rear admiral Yin Zhuo and others are publicly advocating direct adoption of EM CAT. But big shrimps are saying 002 is already a done deal, which makes you wonder what is the true status.
Politically I believe President Xi would want to commission 002 before he steps down around the end of 2022, like Hu did for 001; a pace of two carriers per 10 year term.
I'm hopeful that Chinese planners will take some risk this time and leapfrog to EMCAT, which may very likely mean Xi not overseeing 002 commissioned during his term.
 
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