PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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Will China have the thrust and need to have 2 in build? Or even willing?
For example.if Shanghai and Dalian will build each one.
Would be very awesome if China build 2 in line!

My guess will be an LHD and carrier in build every time.

Hard to say, I think they will probably do some commercial building in between carriers, and of course they also need to have a drydock available for maintenance when needed. I expect DL will eventually build another carrier after 001A (they might even build a second 002), but I do not expect DL to immediately leap into carrier construction after they're done with 001A.

The LHDs are rumoured to be built at HD rather than DL, from what I remember.
 

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Really? HD will build the 40,000+ tonne LHDs? I was under the impression that HD, HP, and old GSI can only build smaller ships.

HDZH built the Navy's 071 LPDs, and both HDZH and GSI have built 903/A AORs.

Given HD's past experience with 071s, it makes sense to give them LHDs... and HD has built civilian container ships up to 330m long in the past.
 

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HDZH built the Navy's 071 LPDs, and both HDZH and GSI have built 903/A AORs.

Given HD's past experience with 071s, it makes sense to give them LHDs... and HD has built civilian container ships up to 330m long in the past.

Those are 20,000 tonne-class ships. GSI had to use their larger Nansha facility to build the 40,000 tonne Type 901. Would HD be able to build a ship with double that displacement to military standards? I'm also curious, are the civilian displacement capacities applicable to military vessels? If they are, HD could theoretically build aircraft carriers since the largest supercarrier in the world is only 330m.
 

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Those are 20,000 tonne-class ships. GSI had to use their larger Nansha facility to build the 40,000 tonne Type 901. Would HD be able to build a ship with double that displacement to military standards? I'm also curious, are the civilian displacement capacities applicable to military vessels? If they are, HD could theoretically build aircraft carriers since the largest supercarrier in the world is only 330m.

Well the full displacements of the 071 class is more like 26,000 tons, but okay.

As for your questions, I'm not sure what you're really asking, are you skeptical that HD cannot build larger military ships because it lacks either physical capacity to (such as drydock?) or if it lacks the expertise to build larger military ships?

HD at its Shanghai yard (same yard that built 071s) definitely has the physical capacity to build such a ship, that's indisputable

As for expertise -- well, let's remember that before Dalian started building 001A, HD was the shipyard that held the record for building the Chinese Navy's largest combat vessel in the 071, and the biggest combat warship DL had built were destroyers... and that goes the same for JN as well, which will build 002 yet their previous largest warship built were destroyers as well.


So yes, it sounds perfectly reasonable to think that HD has built up enough (probably more than enough) expertise to build a LHD, especially when we consider that before DL started building 001A the largest warship it had ever constructed from the keel up were destroyers; and the same for JN with 002...
 
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jobjed

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Well the full displacements of the 071 class is more like 26,000 tons, but okay.

As for your questions, I'm not sure what you're really asking, are you skeptical that HD cannot build larger military ships because it lacks either physical capacity to (such as drydock?) or if it lacks the expertise to build larger military ships?

HD at its Shanghai yard (same yard that built 071s) definitely has the physical capacity to build such a ship, that's indisputable

As for expertise -- well, let's remember that before Dalian started building 001A, HD was the shipyard that held the record for building the Chinese Navy's largest combat vessel in the 071, and the biggest combat warship DL had built were destroyers... and that goes the same for JN as well, which will build 002 yet their previous largest warship built were destroyers as well.


So yes, it sounds perfectly reasonable to think that HD has built up enough (probably more than enough) expertise to build a LHD, especially when we consider that before DL started building 001A the largest warship it had ever constructed from the keel up were destroyers; and the same for JN with 002...

I see your point. It appears HD may very well build China's first LHD.
 

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I see your point. It appears HD may very well build China's first LHD.

That seems to be what the rumours are saying -- more importantly, is that there are no indications that DL or JN will be building LHDs, so going back to the original question about what DL will be doing once they're done building 001A, we have no reason to suspect they'll be building LHDs.

More likely they will build some commercial vessels for a little while, and possibly be occupied with maintaining CV-16 and CV-17, and then possibly build another carrier sometime after that.
 
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