PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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Blitzo

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Has anyone noticed the strategic placement of the captions in the photo?

One is casually overlying the island, and the other is overlying the bow of the ship...

very sneaky.

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longmarch

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He was not talking about fanbois. He was talking about "lots of users here", that claims "PLAN is on the same level as US Navy as they construct their first carrier".

A troll trolling, that's what it is.

Money is a big factor. but if you don't have the money, it's your problem, not China's. To indicate that somehow China doesn't need to prioritize its military spending is just more trolling.

Economy is more fundamental in long term projection. If China's economy falters, all bets are off. Under normal circumstances though, Chinese economy would have surpassed US in 15 years, and still growing. Once that happens, other things would follow.

After that, who know what comes next. All great powers rise and fall, China is no exception.

There are fanbois who believe that the Liaoning and one or two more could go up against the US Navy.

Every now and then one passes through here on SD and gets educated pretty quick.

But make no mistake, the PRC has embarked on a decades long path that ultimately leads to them challenging the US and its allies in the Western Pacific.

...and you know what? Right now there is no nation on earth that could contemplate or plan such a course.

Will they be successful?

Who knows?

If the US, Japan, Korea, Australia and India hang together...then no, I do not believe they can overcome that type of combined resource, particularly when one is the US.

But if they are successful over the years in splitting some of that support off, and continuing on their ship design and building and their geo-political planning path...then yes, they are going to rise to a place where they are capable of making some challenges and of using it to negotiate for what they feel is their rightful place at the Westpac table.

No need to insult one another over this.

it is clear that the PRC does have more latitude in its spending and costs given their governmental form. Certainly not as much as they once did...but in those older days they were on a path the led (like the Soviets) to bankruptcy.

So they have modified their activities to avoid that too.
 

Jeff Head

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He was not talking about fanbois. He was talking about "lots of users here", that claims "PLAN is on the same level as US Navy as they construct their first carrier".
And he was told that we have not seen "lots of users here" doing that.

My own post was meant to convey the same message.

There are some fanbois who believe this, and sometimes they do get on SD an say such things...but they become educated fairly quickly here if they do.

That is all.
 

Mirabo

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And no, the flight deck is not fully complete because there are a few openings in the flight deck has not been sealed up yet.

The Chinese consider the flight deck complete, as the openings have been left open on purpose and I'm under the impression that they could seal those in a matter of hours if they wanted to. Strictly speaking, it's not complete, but arguably, if the dockyard setting off firecrackers is any indication, the flight deck can be considered complete.
 

Blitzo

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The Chinese consider the flight deck complete, as the openings have been left open on purpose and I'm under the impression that they could seal those in a matter of hours if they wanted to. Strictly speaking, it's not complete, but arguably, if the dockyard setting off firecrackers is any indication, the flight deck can be considered complete.

Err, well the openings in the flight deck are there because they still have work to do inside the hull of the ship. I'm sure they could seal up the openings if they really wanted to quite easily, but that would make accessing certain parts of the ship harder. Whether they are able to seal up the openings quickly doesn't change the fact that they're still being left open for the time being (for good reason), and so the flight deck isn't really complete.

Adding the ski jump to the rest of the carrier definitely is a major milestone, but if one really wants to claim it is "complete" then it would require all the openings to be sealed up.
 

Jeff Head

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CVN 78 USS Ford: keel laying in Nov 2009, superlift of island in Jan 2013.
HMS Queen Elizabeth: keel laying in Jul 2009, superlift of fwd island in Mar 2013.

The Chinese are about twice as fast.
Not really a fair comparison.

The Ford is 100,000 tons and is a brand new class introducing all sorts of brand new technology.

001A is a rebuild of the Liaoning, a 30 year old design which does not innovate new technologies.

Once the US got on a roll with the Nimitz class...they would lay down and then launch those carriers in about three years.

For example, the John Stennis, CVN-74 was:

Laid down 13 March 1991
Launched 11 November 1993

That's two yeas and eight months from laying down to launch.

And she is a 100,000 ton, nuclear, CATOBAR carrier with four elevators, could carry 90 aircraft, and was, at the time of her launch, the most modern and capable carrier in the world.

The Chinese are doing a GREAT job.

They laid 001A down in Fenruary 2015. She may launch in mid to late 2017. Two and a half years is good...but for such a known qunatiity and a smaller vessel without the types of propulsion (nuclear), launch (CATs), and capabilities, it simply, IMHO does not compare with what the US did with the USS John Stennis.
 

Jeff Head

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The Chinese consider the flight deck complete, as the openings have been left open on purpose and I'm under the impression that they could seal those in a matter of hours if they wanted to.
Probably not in hours.

Perhaps a few days depending on how they engineered it. But something that MUS be done in any case to hve a complete flight deck...as I said before.
 

Jeff Head

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I think they will do it and it will be launched this year .. I believe alot of work can be done after launching. Indian carrier was launched in a very bad shape and they did that
I seriously, seriously doubt it.

They Chinese do not want to "rush" anything or make it even look like something is pressuring them.

Quite frankly...it's not.

With the flight deck needing completin,. With no island. No elevators. With a LOT of internal work to be done.

My guess is mid-2017 perhaps.

We shall see.
 

Jeff Head

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Has anyone noticed the strategic placement of the captions in the photo.
Yes. I was wondering if and when someone would mention it.

You mean this? (Island):


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It is sitting there, all lined up to the left of the vessel.

Will probably be lifted pretty soon.
 
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