PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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bd popeye

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Reporter: Can you tell us more about the second carrier, like where is it being built? What is the basic technical and tactical specs? What are the supporting equipments?(The word equipment is both singular and plural.)

MoD Spokesman: As far as I know, this is an indigenously designed carrier currently under construction in Dalian, its displacement is in the 50k ton class and it has conventional power. It will carry J-15 and other shipborne aircraft, and uses ski-jump launching. It will be fully equipped to satisfy mission requirements. The design and building of this 2nd carrier is based on the experience learned from Liaoning, and there will be improvements in many areas. We will continue to disclose the progress of this carrier in the future.

The official word has been spoken. I'm curious as to what the members of this forum think about this little tidbit;

It will carry J-15 and other shipborne aircraft, and uses ski-jump launching

Is this the truth or just a ploy to keep us China watchers including the US DoD in the dark on the capabilities of this ship? And if there is no catapult what happened to China's research and development on catapults,both steam and EMAL, in general? Was the reported development of catapults a smokescreen or just fan boi dreams?
 

Jeff Head

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The official word has been spoken. I'm curious as to what the members of this forum think about this little tidbit;



Is this the truth or just a ploy to keep us China watchers including the US DoD in the dark on the capabilities of this ship? And if there is no catapult what happened to China's research and development on catapults,both steam and EMAL, in general? Was the reported development of catapults a smokescreen or just fan boi dreams?
I expect it means J-15s, the new AEW helo, the new ASW helos, etc.

No doubt that the new carrier is a ski-jump, STONAR carrier like the Liaoning.

I would look to the third carrier having cats maybe...as we have talked about here for years.

Now Rueters is confinrming it, with a lengthy article:

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Reuters said:
BEIJING, Dec 31 (Reuters) - After months of speculation, China confirmed on Thursday it is building a second aircraft carrier to go with an existing one bought second-hand, as neighbours worry about Beijing's new assertiveness to claims in the South China Sea.

Defence Ministry spokesman Yang Yujun said the carrier had been designed in China and was being built in the port of Dalian. Foreign military analysts and Chinese media have for months published satellite images, photographs and news stories purporting to show the second carrier's development.

"China has a long coast line and a vast maritime area under our jurisdiction. To safeguard our maritime sovereignty, interests and rights is the sacred mission of the Chinese armed forces," Yang said.

The design draws on experiences from the country's first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, bought from Ukraine in 1998 and refitted in China, Yang said.

Yang said the conventionally powered carrier has a displacement of 50,000 tonnes, will be able to operate the Shenyang J-15 fighter and, unlike the 60,000-tonne Liaoning, have a ski-jump take-off.

Little is known about China's aircraft carrier programme, which is a state secret.

Yang would not say when the second carrier would enter service, saying it depended on progress in the design process.

A Shanghai-based naval expert who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter said tensions in the South China Sea made the carrier particularly necessary to furthering Chinese interests.

"The U.S. has many aircraft carriers that are traveling all over the place in the South China Sea, which has caused problems for us," he said. "Having a second aircraft carrier reduces the pressure on us. It will keep us from being bullied."

China claims almost all the South China Sea, believed to have huge deposits of oil and gas, through which about $5 trillion in ship-borne trade passes every year, and has been building up military facilities like runways on the islands it controls.

Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam also have claims.

China says it has no hostile intent and wants to manage the dispute through bilateral talks with the other claimants. Yang also announced the defence ministry had just set up a new hotline with Vietnam, as it seeks to manage the tensions.

But Beijing has been involved in a diplomatic spat with Washington too over ship and aircraft patrols in the region.

Asked whether China was thinking of a third carrier, Yang said that "relevant authorities" would take various factors into consideration about future carrier plans.

The Pentagon, in a report earlier this year, said Beijing could build multiple aircraft carriers over the next 15 years.

Taiwan's Defence Ministry said in September China was building two aircraft carriers that would be the same size as the Liaoning.

Successfully operating the Liaoning is the first step in what state media and some military experts believe will be the deployment of domestically built carriers by 2020.

The Liaoning has taken part in military exercises, including in the South China Sea, but is not yet fully operational.

Last week, the military said the Liaoning had made a "key breakthrough" in shifting from the testing phase to being able to operate ship-borne aircraft, as the country's navy chief paid a visit.
 

asif iqbal

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Ok if block lifting is completed by January 2016 then they can start on forward section ski jump and flight deck

They can then work the aft section and at that point the island will be delivered

Integration work will continue for island, block to hull and that will reveal the full structure of the carrier for the first time at this pace that will be in 2016

Things like engines and propeller will be done in that process too

That's when they will float the unit out and integration work starts

How long? I reckon very soon and by that I mean 2016 for launching
 

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Chinese department of defense confirmed that the next aircraft carrier will still use Ski-jump.

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记者:能不能再介绍一下关于第二艘航母的情况,比如它在哪里建造?它基本的技术和战术性能怎么样?包括配套的装备情况?

杨宇军:据我所知,这艘航母完全由我国自主开展设计,正在大连进行建造,排水量约为5万吨级,采用常规动力装置;搭载国产歼-15飞机和其它型号舰载机,固定翼飞机采用滑跃起飞方式;舰上将配有满足任务需要的各型设备。第二艘航母的设计和建造吸收了“辽宁舰”科研试验和训练的有益经验,在许多方面将有新的改进和提高。今后关于这艘航母建设的相关进展情况,我们将陆续发布。
 

bd popeye

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Integration work will continue for island, block to hull and that will reveal the full structure of the carrier for the first time at this pace that will be in 2016

Things like engines and propeller will be done in that process too

I think base on prior construction of large warships that the propulsion system is in place. Please note;

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The Missouri (BB-63) is shown in mid-1942 with the engines and boilers in place and the torpedo defense system taking shape amidships. Segments of the lower main armor belt are visible. The keyway for fitting the upper belt and the adjacent plates of the lower belt can be seen. Also visible is the welded scalloped butt straps vertically joining the lower belt plates. U. S. Navy photo from the book
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by Robert F. Sumrall & Tom Walkowiak, submitted by Mike Green.

note.. you will not find any photos of the propulsion system "laid open" on a CV-9, CV-41, CV-59, CV-63 or Nimitz class CVN.
 

Equation

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The official word has been spoken. I'm curious as to what the members of this forum think about this little tidbit;



Is this the truth or just a ploy to keep us China watchers including the US DoD in the dark on the capabilities of this ship? And if there is no catapult what happened to China's research and development on catapults,both steam and EMAL, in general? Was the reported development of catapults a smokescreen or just fan boi dreams?

Did it say ONLY ski jump launching for ONLY this particular carrier?o_O
 

Jeff Head

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Since the end of August they have accomplished the following from the level below the hanger to what they are doing at the hanger deck level.:

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I do not think they will be ready for launch in April. If they do, it will be without significant portions of the vessel complete to the standard we normally see PLAN vessels launched.

Lots of structural work still to do internally in all of those spaces we see being landed right now.

No bow yet. No stern yet. No flight deck yet. No island yet.

Lots to go.
 
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