PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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chuck731

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Well, the Growler in the first pic has a full war load, and the Superhornet in the 3rd has a good load on. But only the station on the tip on the folded portion in bot cases.

As I say below, the model aircraft look to be inaccurate and have too many stations on the folded portion of the wing.


It doesn't seem likely that the wing folding actuators would have been designed with the so much surplus power that it can fold up the wings up against the weight of several thousand pounds of ordinance cantilevered out on the folding portion.

In any case, you can't possibly attach the ordinance to the folding portion of the wings until the wings are level. The ordiance loading carts wouldn't be designed to turn the weapons 90 degrees and lift it up to the level of the folded wings. This means if you have big pylons on the folding portion of the wings, you won't attach anything to these pylons until the aircraft is up on deck and the wings have been extended. Why would you then want to fold the wings up again?
 

adeptitus

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In the picture above with the white plastic lawn chair by the wheel, what missile is that on the wing pylon? It looked kinda like a gun pod, but too long.
 

Jeff Head

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It doesn't seem likely that the wing folding actuators would have been designed with the so much surplus power that it can fold up the wings up against the weight of several thousand pounds of ordinance.
Agreed 100%.

In any case, you can't possibly attach the ordinance to the folding portion of the wings until the wings are level. The ordiance loading carts wouldn't be designed to turn the weapons 90 degrees and lift it up to the level of the folded wings. This means if you have big pylons on the folding portion of the wings, you won't attach anything to these pylons until the aircraft is up on deck and the wings have been extended.
Well, this goes back to the model shown earlier.

The aircraft in the model are clearly, IMHO, a representation of someone who wants to see fully laden J-15s (which IMHO are too heavily laden for Liaoning opertions in any case, folded wing or not) on the carrier.

I responded to a question that wondered if that was just out and out wrong and that no aircraft would be spotted on a carrier deck with ordinance on a folded wing. I indicated that usually, that is correct, but not always, and showed pictutes of US aircraft on deck with folded wings and ordinance on those wings. Buit, in the US pictures you will see Sidwinder missiles, or in the case of the Growler, a relatively light ECM pod on the wing tip station when folded, but no heavy weapons on the folded wings.

Why would you then want to fold the wings up again?
Well, that is so that when they are forming up an Alpha Strike group, or any larger group of aircraft readying for launch, they can spot the aircraft in numbers close to the cats and take up less deck space while doing so. Then, as they approach the cat for "their turn," they fold the wings down and off they go.
 

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I'm trying to compare how big Liaoning's weapons elevator is compared to USN CVNs. At first I thought it looked awfully, small, but I think that's more a result of J-15's massive size. If we compare the elevators with a common metric (the size of people for instance), it appears the elevators are similar in size, although USN CVNs may have them slightly wider.


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no_name

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554 really looks well worn and hardened in this picture, indicative of lots of flights and probably a fair bit of exposure to the ocean's elements. Looks like it means business.

May many more J-15s look like such!

If you look at the paint colour on deck and also the PLAAF roundel, the photo has saturation and/or contrast adjusted high from the original pic. So the plane probably looks more dirty than it actually was.
 

delft

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I'm trying to compare how big Liaoning's weapons elevator is compared to USN CVNs. At first I thought it looked awfully, small, but I think that's more a result of J-15's massive size. If we compare the elevators with a common metric (the size of people for instance), it appears the elevators are similar in size, although USN CVNs may have them slightly wider.


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Next question: What ordnance carried by Su-33 or Kamov helicopter is so large that it needs such large ordnance elevators?
 

Intrepid

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The load on a foldable wingpart in tight turns is much more than any ordnance can produce in static conditions like parking on a carrier deck.
 

Jeff Head

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The load on a foldable wingpart in tight turns is much more than any ordnance can produce in static conditions like parking on a carrier deck.
Yes, but that force is applied against the joint of the wing itself, which was designed to handle it. Chuck talked about the actuator that actually folds the wing up and down, which would not be carrying the dynamic loading during air maneuvers.

Chuck731 said:
It doesn't seem likely that the wing folding actuators would have been designed with the so much surplus power that it can fold up the wings up against the weight of several thousand pounds of ordinance.
 
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